Wiring help for a crazy build
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cohibacris
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No worries ArtieToo, the help/advice/wise sage is greatly appreciated!
No worries ArtieToo, the help/advice/wise sage is greatly appreciated!
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OK - those comfortable with schematics, can you take a peek at this mess and see if I've fubar'ed anything. I know that the black ice circuit is missing from the sheet; I want to connect it to the volume pot but am unsure if that will function or not (second lug of the DPDT Volume pot).
Cheers and many thanks for your advice/perusal - I've also posted the raw image on my site:http://www.crisrogers.com/2012/05/18/wiring-diagram-for-bertha/
OK - those comfortable with schematics, can you take a peek at this mess and see if I've fubar'ed anything. I know that the black ice circuit is missing from the sheet; I want to connect it to the volume pot but am unsure if that will function or not (second lug of the DPDT Volume pot).
Cheers and many thanks for your advice/perusal - I've also posted the raw image on my site:http://www.crisrogers.com/2012/05/18/wiring-diagram-for-bertha/
jtougas
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Let's back up a minute, and ask some questions...
What are you hoping to have happen at each position of the 5 way switch?
What do you want each push/pull pot to do?
Because my biggest question right now is: why is the center tap (red + white) on the HotRails wired to the 5way Super Switch?
Let's back up a minute, and ask some questions...
What are you hoping to have happen at each position of the 5 way switch?
What do you want each push/pull pot to do?
Because my biggest question right now is: why is the center tap (red + white) on the HotRails wired to the 5way Super Switch?
cohibacris
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Re: Wiring help for a crazy build
So... I'm looking for the 5 way to give me
1 - Neck
2 - Neck and north coil of the Hotrails
3 - Middle
4 - Bridge and south coil of the Hotrails
5 - Bridge
for the three pots I want:
Volume: nothing special on the down; (maybe!)pull up for a Black Ice circuit for onboard distort
Tone 1 - Bridge pup tone: nothing special on the down; pull up to insert the bridge pup in an override fashion (for extra oommpff in positions 1-3)
Tone 2 - Neck/Middle tone: nothing special on the down; pull up to insert the neck pup in an override fashion (for extra oommpff in positions 3-5)
Thats all....:eyecrazy:
So... I'm looking for the 5 way to give me
1 - Neck
2 - Neck and north coil of the Hotrails
3 - Middle
4 - Bridge and south coil of the Hotrails
5 - Bridge
for the three pots I want:
Volume: nothing special on the down; (maybe!)pull up for a Black Ice circuit for onboard distort
Tone 1 - Bridge pup tone: nothing special on the down; pull up to insert the bridge pup in an override fashion (for extra oommpff in positions 1-3)
Tone 2 - Neck/Middle tone: nothing special on the down; pull up to insert the neck pup in an override fashion (for extra oommpff in positions 3-5)
Thats all....:eyecrazy:
cohibacris
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Re: Wiring help for a crazy build
No worries, Artie - I've been sauteing my brain on a variety of sites learning and growing that part of my skull, so I figured I'd try again on the noob-drawing. If you want to fax it over instead and save the time, I can flip it into a diagram ('puter style) - PM and I'll shoot my fax # over...
Again, appreciate the help & I understand all too well on the runnin....
No worries, Artie - I've been sauteing my brain on a variety of sites learning and growing that part of my skull, so I figured I'd try again on the noob-drawing. If you want to fax it over instead and save the time, I can flip it into a diagram ('puter style) - PM and I'll shoot my fax # over...
Again, appreciate the help & I understand all too well on the runnin....
cohibacris
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Re: Wiring help for a crazy build
Artie, thanks so much - One thing I see already that was a miss for me was the four poles of the super switch are independent - I should have seen it but it escaped me (because I'm ignorant and new to this!)
The tone connections make sense, but I am struggling to see how the independent bridge tone/neck-middle tone knobs (as it were) would be fed. It looks like a common leg that supports both inputs for the tone.
I know it's not necessary for the circuit to be linear, but I've been stumped all the way through this new thing on one thing (well, a helluva lot more than one, but let's keep it simple). The tone pot and capacitor seem to almost be afterthoughts in most of the wiring examples (on paper) I've reviewed. My brain wants to believe the path should be:
Pup(s)--> Tone --> Super Switch --> Volume. So that the tone can affect the sound, route to the switch and out the volume door, exit stage left.
on the majority that I've reviewed it's configured:
Pup(s) --> Switch--> to a dual path (A) Volume and (B) Tone with the ground as the only common path to 'tweak' the signal by the tone pot/cap before exiting to the output jack. On a bunch of the strat diagrams the pups are routed to the switch and the tone knobs separately and merge to the volume knob (making more sense) but the orientation of the tone pot in the chain is baffling at this time. It might be that way for a while, but I figured in an effort to 'learn' from your kind efforts, it makes sense to expose the weakness in my understanding.
Cheers and no worries - while I'm anxious to know it's not like the guitar is breathing down my neck (a custom from Warmoth - hehehe; there's time)
Artie, thanks so much - One thing I see already that was a miss for me was the four poles of the super switch are independent - I should have seen it but it escaped me (because I'm ignorant and new to this!)
The tone connections make sense, but I am struggling to see how the independent bridge tone/neck-middle tone knobs (as it were) would be fed. It looks like a common leg that supports both inputs for the tone.
I know it's not necessary for the circuit to be linear, but I've been stumped all the way through this new thing on one thing (well, a helluva lot more than one, but let's keep it simple). The tone pot and capacitor seem to almost be afterthoughts in most of the wiring examples (on paper) I've reviewed. My brain wants to believe the path should be:
Pup(s)--> Tone --> Super Switch --> Volume. So that the tone can affect the sound, route to the switch and out the volume door, exit stage left.
on the majority that I've reviewed it's configured:
Pup(s) --> Switch--> to a dual path (A) Volume and (B) Tone with the ground as the only common path to 'tweak' the signal by the tone pot/cap before exiting to the output jack. On a bunch of the strat diagrams the pups are routed to the switch and the tone knobs separately and merge to the volume knob (making more sense) but the orientation of the tone pot in the chain is baffling at this time. It might be that way for a while, but I figured in an effort to 'learn' from your kind efforts, it makes sense to expose the weakness in my understanding.
Cheers and no worries - while I'm anxious to know it's not like the guitar is breathing down my neck (a custom from Warmoth - hehehe; there's time)
cohibacris
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I hope that I got it on this round. I have learned a ton through this process (not being an electronics peep previously) that hopefully can help someone else.
That's all I can recall that is new for me, but I'll update if something else comes into recall. Triple thanks for the help ArtieToo and jtougas for their kind redirection. By no means am I 'done' - I'm sure this isn't the end as it were but my confidence level is above 'no clue' so I'm a country mile from where I started!:1:
Thoughts on the diagram - anything evil or wrong jumping out? Don't be shy! The PDF is big enough to actually read the words (handy stuff normally)..
I hope that I got it on this round. I have learned a ton through this process (not being an electronics peep previously) that hopefully can help someone else.
- When in doubt use your multimeter....:banghead:
- Even though a pot has three lugs, you only 'really' need to use two of them (unless something like a tone circuit is being used). Middle is the output, and if you're holding the pot with the lugs facing you and the post up, left hand lug is the normal input for right hand use.
- A push pull pot really is a switch crammed onto the bottom of a pot. They aren't connected electrically and if you want to variably control the switch signal, jumper the pot lug to the switch post required.
- P/P pots facing toward you, post pointing up, (of the six posts, 2 across, 3 up) the four posts from the top represent the "up" position; the four posts from the bottom are the "Down" position. Center posts are common; use if you want to have a common signal path integrated into both switch positions. When in doubt use logic; the post touches the lower four in the down position & the four upper ones when pulled up.
- A 4 pole 5 way switch can be thought of as a group of 4 connections to each of the 1,2,3,4 & 5 switch positions. If you put the middle pup on "3" in one group of 5 and the bridge on a corresponding "3" position, you're gonna get both when you switch to #3.
- Triple shot rings are awesome & make switch connections easier.
- Tone pots aren't directly connected to the volume pot *(which was a huge brain blocker for me) - so long as the tone circuit is connected to the appropriate pup/switch in a seemingly dead end connection, the connection will impact the signal on the overall circuit and 'bada-bing' - tone control. Odd and I still don't fully understand why, but I'm good with that for now.
That's all I can recall that is new for me, but I'll update if something else comes into recall. Triple thanks for the help ArtieToo and jtougas for their kind redirection. By no means am I 'done' - I'm sure this isn't the end as it were but my confidence level is above 'no clue' so I'm a country mile from where I started!:1:
Thoughts on the diagram - anything evil or wrong jumping out? Don't be shy! The PDF is big enough to actually read the words (handy stuff normally)..
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