Wiring Question

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You don't need any shielded cable to rewire a Strat.

I have a couple reels of cloth covered wire that I got from Stewmac that I use for wiring Telecasters and whatever else. Specialty Guitars, and just about any other place has something similar.
 
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You don't need any shielded cable to rewire a Strat.

You do if you don't have any cavity screening.

If you have good cavity screening, then you don't need it except between the control cavity and the o/p jack cavity.

I use vintage cloth braided screen from Allparts.
 
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I use vintage cloth braided screen from Allparts.

Hey OD. I certainly respect your opinion on all things guitar related. Why would you use cloth wire on anything other than restoring a vintage guitar that originally came that way? I am of the opinion that cloth wire is inferior electrically. Am I missing something here?
 
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Is there a certain guage, or metallic composition I should look for. I'm not concerned with having "authentic" anything on my Strat, I just want to wire up some new pickups.
 
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Hey OD. I certainly respect your opinion on all things guitar related. Why would you use cloth wire on anything other than restoring a vintage guitar that originally came that way? I am of the opinion that cloth wire is inferior electrically. Am I missing something here?

You are correct, obviously Artie.

If the control cavity has been adequately screened then you can get away with using discrete signal and earth wires inside the screen and this may be better for retention of high end frequency components because its cable capacitance is negligible.

It's true that the more screening you have the better your signal to noise ratio but it's all about balance really. A strat with 3 single coils is unlikely to be used with high level distortion so cavity screening alone will probably be enough. If you have a superstrat with humbuckers then you are likely to be pushing the s/n ratio to its limits and you would be better off with screened cable, even inside a screened cavity. Because humbuckers don't have such a pronounced top end response (and because the distortion clipping introduces a lot of high end frequencies into the spectrum anyway) you can afford to take the hit of the cable capacitance.
 
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I am of the opinion that cloth wire is inferior electrically. Am I missing something here?

The stuff I was referring to is the same stuff as is used by Gibson. i don't know why it should be thought to be inferior electrically. It probably doesn't provide such a tight seal against moisture (waxing it helps here) but probably has a lower unit capacitance and the braided screen provides much better screening than standard lapped screening. it's very robust as well.

There is a vinyl insulated version but it's rubbish; you can't solder it because the vinyl melts and oozes through the braid causing internal shorts and interfering with the solder bond. Cloth is tougher and has better heat resistance so you can saturate the braid with solder and make very solid earth connections with minimal exposure of the core wire.
 
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Sorry. I wasn't clear on my question. I wasn't really talking about sheilded wire, but single-conductor wire. Cloth-covered as opposed to the teflon-coated that I usually use.
 
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Bump...so far I'm working with a stock Jimmie Vaughan Strat that is going to get a humbucker in the bridge--What kind of the aforementioned types should I use then? And could someone explain the difference between teflon coated and non?
 
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Basic audio hook up wire can be divided into two broad types; single core and screened. In the US screening is called shielding but I will continue to refer to it as screened because it is easier to spell and a better descriptive term (just as I always refer to signal, return and earth rather than hot and ground).

Both types of wire have a core wire, which may be single or multi strand surrounded by insulation which is most commonly a polymer such as vinyl (PVC) or occasionally neoprene. Teflon is just another type of polymer. Teflon is better than vinyl or neoprene as it has better heat resistance and is also tougher.

In the 50s and 60s electrical insulation was commonly made from braided cloth so the stuff that Artie and I have alluded to was a multi strand wire with braided cloth insulation. Sometimes this is waxed to improve it's performance in low energy audio applications. Recently variants of this have appeared impregnated with silicon rubber in place of wax. This is good stuff, but a little harder to work with than the old cloth covering. You'll find it on Kent Armstrong pickups.

PVC coated wire is easy to work with. It cuts easily and works well with automatic wire strippers which struggle with Teflon and don't work at all with cloth (the trick with cloth insulation is to push it back slightly to expose the core rather than cutting it as it tends to fray) but vinyl tends to melt when the wire heats up. This is a problem when using screened cable with vinyl insulation as if you get the wire too hot at the point where the screen and the core separate you can get a short. Teflon and cloth bound wire are both sufficiently heat resistant for you not to have to worry about this, but they are not as flexible as PVC covered wire which can go down to very small diameters. Teflon and cloth bound wire makes very robust connections though.

You can get all of them from Stew-mac, Allparts and WD.

If you do not have cavity screening (see this link) then you should definitely use screened cable throughout.

If you have good cavity screening then you probably won't need screened wire for hook up between pots or from the pickups and unscreened (discrete) hook up wire is probably easier to handle and quicker to work with which is why most manufacturers use it regardless of its vulnerability to noise.
 
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Thanks a lot for the info. I've looked inside my Strat, and it has dark paint (shielding paint, I'm guessing) throughout the cavity, and some basic aluminum-looking foil on certain parts of the pickguard.

I will try out some different kinds of wire to see what gets the best result; worse case scenario is that I'll have to do the insides with some copper foil.
 
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If you have a meter check the conductivity of the screening paint. put the two probes an inch or so apart and you should get a reading of about 300 - 500 kohm
 
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