Wood pup rings vs plastic
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RockStarNick
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Re: Wood pup rings vs plastic
Yes. And leather seats will make my car go faster, too.
Kidding, bro.
Usually, pickup rings are 100% cosmetic. no tone difference.
Yes. And leather seats will make my car go faster, too.
Kidding, bro.
Usually, pickup rings are 100% cosmetic. no tone difference.
ErikH
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:laugh2: No mang, it's the tinted windows that do that.
Seriously, like said, cosmetic only. Screwing the pickup directly to the wood does change things but a pickup ring is different. The pickup is suspended from the ring which is then mounted to the body whereas with direct mount the pickup base tabs are in direct contact with the wood body wood.
:laugh2: No mang, it's the tinted windows that do that.
Seriously, like said, cosmetic only. Screwing the pickup directly to the wood does change things but a pickup ring is different. The pickup is suspended from the ring which is then mounted to the body whereas with direct mount the pickup base tabs are in direct contact with the wood body wood.
frankfalbo
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The greatest benefit would come if someone made wood toned mounting rings. You know, the kind of papery stuff you see on cheap furniture and speakers? Then you would have "wood toned" mounting rings. At that point you could say you have more "wood tone" on your guitar. The statement itself, like leather seats and tinted windows, is generally enough to satisfy the desire.
The real trick however, is that cars with wood tone panels, (generally old station wagons a-la Chevy Chase in Vacation) are usually slower. So the question is, would wood toned mounting rings make the guitar slower?
The greatest benefit would come if someone made wood toned mounting rings. You know, the kind of papery stuff you see on cheap furniture and speakers? Then you would have "wood toned" mounting rings. At that point you could say you have more "wood tone" on your guitar. The statement itself, like leather seats and tinted windows, is generally enough to satisfy the desire.
The real trick however, is that cars with wood tone panels, (generally old station wagons a-la Chevy Chase in Vacation) are usually slower. So the question is, would wood toned mounting rings make the guitar slower?
ErikH
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Re: Wood pup rings vs plastic
Would they come with a free dog leash?
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Would they come with a free dog leash?
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Re: Wood pup rings vs plastic
No, because you're still suspending the pickup with a spring. Doesn't matter what the ring is made out of.
Personally, I don't buy the whole direct-mounted pickup spiel, because a magnetic pickup only detects the vibration of the strings. It's not picking up sound waves or the guitar's natural resonance -- the only reason those things are important are because of their effect on string vibration. Direct mounting has no effect whatsoever on string vibration.
I own a guitar with direct-mounted pickups and I can't tell the difference tonally. The only advantage as far as I can see is the cosmetic benefit of dropping the pickup rings entirely. The disadvantage is that you can't adjust the height. Seems like a lousy trade to me.
No, because you're still suspending the pickup with a spring. Doesn't matter what the ring is made out of.
Personally, I don't buy the whole direct-mounted pickup spiel, because a magnetic pickup only detects the vibration of the strings. It's not picking up sound waves or the guitar's natural resonance -- the only reason those things are important are because of their effect on string vibration. Direct mounting has no effect whatsoever on string vibration.
I own a guitar with direct-mounted pickups and I can't tell the difference tonally. The only advantage as far as I can see is the cosmetic benefit of dropping the pickup rings entirely. The disadvantage is that you can't adjust the height. Seems like a lousy trade to me.
Robert Delahunt
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I would think that mounting in springs, the springs aren't going to shock-absorb, so the resonance from the guitar should affect the pickup.
In direct mount (and spring mount, in my opinion), the resonance of the guitar's body wood should be transfered to the pickup, which should in theory move the pickup. I'm just wondering if the pickup itself would be moving in or out of phase with the strings, and if this would equate to simulating more or less string vibration. Either way, however, I could care less. My 2 cents is that it's not significant enough to worry about.
I would think that mounting in springs, the springs aren't going to shock-absorb, so the resonance from the guitar should affect the pickup.
In direct mount (and spring mount, in my opinion), the resonance of the guitar's body wood should be transfered to the pickup, which should in theory move the pickup. I'm just wondering if the pickup itself would be moving in or out of phase with the strings, and if this would equate to simulating more or less string vibration. Either way, however, I could care less. My 2 cents is that it's not significant enough to worry about.
Kivitel
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Eh...I'm inclined to agree in spirit, since 90% of what people say about tone is bull****...but I think it is likely that the vibration from the strings vibrates the pickups too, thereby changing the relative position of the pickup in some kind of phase with the strings making the magic happen. This won't happen with the suspended pickup since it is effectively buffered by the spring. HOWEVER, I have some pickups that are reaallll snug in their holes, and I think that might provide the same effect as direct mounting.
But this is like a marischino cherry in a glacier of icecream, tonally speaking.
Eh...I'm inclined to agree in spirit, since 90% of what people say about tone is bull****...but I think it is likely that the vibration from the strings vibrates the pickups too, thereby changing the relative position of the pickup in some kind of phase with the strings making the magic happen. This won't happen with the suspended pickup since it is effectively buffered by the spring. HOWEVER, I have some pickups that are reaallll snug in their holes, and I think that might provide the same effect as direct mounting.
But this is like a marischino cherry in a glacier of icecream, tonally speaking.
ErikH
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Re: Wood pup rings vs plastic
With long leg pickups, you sometimes don't have to adjust because the height may be just right. Depends on how deep the pickup cavity is routed. With short legs, I've used a couple nuts (the hardware kind...lol) stacked under each tab to lift the pickup up a little.
With long leg pickups, you sometimes don't have to adjust because the height may be just right. Depends on how deep the pickup cavity is routed. With short legs, I've used a couple nuts (the hardware kind...lol) stacked under each tab to lift the pickup up a little.
TSE
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I read on harmony central a guy put slim pieces of birch wood between the sides of the pickups and the sides of the holes on his guitar under the mounting rings so the pickups made contact with the body. He said it greatly improved tone and sustain. It was on a review of either a Screamin' Demon or a C5, not sure exactly.
I read on harmony central a guy put slim pieces of birch wood between the sides of the pickups and the sides of the holes on his guitar under the mounting rings so the pickups made contact with the body. He said it greatly improved tone and sustain. It was on a review of either a Screamin' Demon or a C5, not sure exactly.
FamousForSustain
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Well, if a guy on Harmony Central said so, it must be true!
Odds are, you could put a guitar with regular pup rings and the same one except with "direct mounted" pickups or birch shims or whatever side by side and nobody would notice any difference soundwise.
Well, if a guy on Harmony Central said so, it must be true!
Odds are, you could put a guitar with regular pup rings and the same one except with "direct mounted" pickups or birch shims or whatever side by side and nobody would notice any difference soundwise.
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