WOW! Talk about a secret pedal design.....
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B Bent
Vibroluxologist
Re: WOW! Talk about a secret pedal design.....
^^^ Maybe you do...maybe you don't......but more than likely.......maybe you Do is the case....
Oh and I realize that this is probably a pretty standard pedal with not so secret components, but it is funny how this dude wants no one knowing JUST what....
^^^ Maybe you do...maybe you don't......but more than likely.......maybe you Do is the case....
Oh and I realize that this is probably a pretty standard pedal with not so secret components, but it is funny how this dude wants no one knowing JUST what....
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lpmarshall
New member
Re: WOW! Talk about a secret pedal design.....
Goopy.
Sometimes I think pedal builders goop circuits to prevent others from finding out it is based on another builders circuit. But they also can try to protect it from cloning.
Goopy.
Sometimes I think pedal builders goop circuits to prevent others from finding out it is based on another builders circuit. But they also can try to protect it from cloning.
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: WOW! Talk about a secret pedal design.....
looks like poop...
looks like poop...
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ratherdashing
Kablamminator
Re: WOW! Talk about a secret pedal design.....
It's a blob of epoxy and it's to prevent people from building cheap clones (and partially also to prevent people from realizing they've paid $300 for $5 worth of components). It's mostly done by boutique builders who charge ridiculous amounts of money for what is really a simple circuit. Klon is another one that does this.
It's a blob of epoxy and it's to prevent people from building cheap clones (and partially also to prevent people from realizing they've paid $300 for $5 worth of components). It's mostly done by boutique builders who charge ridiculous amounts of money for what is really a simple circuit. Klon is another one that does this.
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: WOW! Talk about a secret pedal design.....
You;re not paying for the parts...
You're paying for the parts, the desighn, the work that went into the design, the work that went into the built, the name on the front, the logo, etc, etc, etc...
It's all like that...a CS Strat doesn't cost 2k to build, neither does a Marshall...
You;re not paying for the parts...
You're paying for the parts, the desighn, the work that went into the design, the work that went into the built, the name on the front, the logo, etc, etc, etc...
It's all like that...a CS Strat doesn't cost 2k to build, neither does a Marshall...
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: WOW! Talk about a secret pedal design.....
Call me...my better half called about 5 minutes ago and I might be on my way to eat dinner with her...
Call me...my better half called about 5 minutes ago and I might be on my way to eat dinner with her...
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: WOW! Talk about a secret pedal design.....
come on down!!!
come on down!!!
J Moose
New member
Re: WOW! Talk about a secret pedal design.....
See man...
THAT'S why 'ya need two rides!!!
See man...
THAT'S why 'ya need two rides!!!
ratherdashing
Kablamminator
Re: WOW! Talk about a secret pedal design.....
Oh yeah, I agree with that. People will pay what they believe a product is worth - what it costs to make it is irrelevant.
I just can't help but notice that the pedals with epoxy on the circuits are inevitably the ones that charge premium prices. It's because the builder knows that anyone with a soldering iron and a rudimentary knowledge of electrical components can replicate their circuit for a tiny fraction of their price. It's a lot harder to clone a CS Strat or a Marshall head than it is to clone a Klon Centaur (epoxy notwithstanding) by a long shot. If it weren't for the epoxy, these boutique pedal builders would be out of business, or would have to slash their prices. The only reason they can charge what they do is because it's too hard to clone their circuits.
Oh yeah, I agree with that. People will pay what they believe a product is worth - what it costs to make it is irrelevant.
I just can't help but notice that the pedals with epoxy on the circuits are inevitably the ones that charge premium prices. It's because the builder knows that anyone with a soldering iron and a rudimentary knowledge of electrical components can replicate their circuit for a tiny fraction of their price. It's a lot harder to clone a CS Strat or a Marshall head than it is to clone a Klon Centaur (epoxy notwithstanding) by a long shot. If it weren't for the epoxy, these boutique pedal builders would be out of business, or would have to slash their prices. The only reason they can charge what they do is because it's too hard to clone their circuits.
ratherdashing
Kablamminator
PFDarkside
of the Forum
Re: WOW! Talk about a secret pedal design.....
Just protecting their intellectual property. Even when they don't goop up the circuit, a lot of the boutique builders will Sharpie the ICs and transistors so it's difficult to clone.
Regarding the adapter, as J Moose said, a lot of positive ground and PNP transistor based pedals really don't work with the 9V adapter.
Just protecting their intellectual property. Even when they don't goop up the circuit, a lot of the boutique builders will Sharpie the ICs and transistors so it's difficult to clone.
Regarding the adapter, as J Moose said, a lot of positive ground and PNP transistor based pedals really don't work with the 9V adapter.
Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
Unseen
Re: WOW! Talk about a secret pedal design.....
To be honest all ye gents......there is nothing new out there!!
And I personally would never buy anything that is gooped up like that....
What if the POS died one day??
What then???
Pray that the guy is still in buisness or wants to repair it???
Sean makes good pedals.....just somewhat expensive...you're basicly buying a hyped piece of simple electronic circuit, that anyone with a decent set of ears and some knowledge of electronics can make!
And be willing to try a few not so common ways of setting stuff together, a love for experiments and well....
Boutique is fun...but the price is just....well crazy!
It is not exactly rocketscience!
To be honest all ye gents......there is nothing new out there!!
And I personally would never buy anything that is gooped up like that....
What if the POS died one day??
What then???
Pray that the guy is still in buisness or wants to repair it???
Sean makes good pedals.....just somewhat expensive...you're basicly buying a hyped piece of simple electronic circuit, that anyone with a decent set of ears and some knowledge of electronics can make!
And be willing to try a few not so common ways of setting stuff together, a love for experiments and well....
Boutique is fun...but the price is just....well crazy!
It is not exactly rocketscience!
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: WOW! Talk about a secret pedal design.....
well guys...it also sounds like poop!
Sorry G!
well guys...it also sounds like poop!
Sorry G!
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
J Moose
New member
Re: WOW! Talk about a secret pedal design.....
HAHAHAHA!!!
Man, I remember back in the day... just about EVERY piece of recording gear was overbuilt and came with a set of schematics, parts list & block diagrams...
Consoles. Tape machines, compressors... EQ's... reverbs...
Not so anymore.
Not even the inexpensive stuff, but the $2000 per channel stuff too!
Granted, most competant techs probably could fix things without a schematic...but geez. It's nice to know that if there's a problem down the road it's gonna be easy, or at least easier to fix.
Hey, I'd buy some stompboxes with schematics!
I love schematics!!!
Too bad I'm kinda dangerous with a soldering iron!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
HAHAHAHA!!!
Man, I remember back in the day... just about EVERY piece of recording gear was overbuilt and came with a set of schematics, parts list & block diagrams...
Consoles. Tape machines, compressors... EQ's... reverbs...
Not so anymore.
Not even the inexpensive stuff, but the $2000 per channel stuff too!
Granted, most competant techs probably could fix things without a schematic...but geez. It's nice to know that if there's a problem down the road it's gonna be easy, or at least easier to fix.
Hey, I'd buy some stompboxes with schematics!
I love schematics!!!
Too bad I'm kinda dangerous with a soldering iron!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Re: WOW! Talk about a secret pedal design.....
I HATE BOUTIQUE PRICES BUUUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTTTTTT
I think there are some good things
1) These guys are often making money and reinvesting it in the guitar market
2) The profitability means more of the CREAM OF THE CROP get out there and build and market innovative ideas - for me the ENTIRE BOGNER LINE fits into this mold.
3) Thanks to the popularity of the whole market you can get GREAT sounds with a TUBE RIG that costs $500 out the door if you get a Pacifica Strat, Peavey / Crate Tube Amp and a Boss or Ibanez pedal.
Then, you could spend thousands and still sound great, but also find YOUR sound and feel.
Considering I play some decently nice gear, I can't complain about boutiques. If not for them we would all be playing DS1's through Carvin half stacks - which works for some but not for me.
I HATE BOUTIQUE PRICES BUUUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTTTTTT
I think there are some good things
1) These guys are often making money and reinvesting it in the guitar market
2) The profitability means more of the CREAM OF THE CROP get out there and build and market innovative ideas - for me the ENTIRE BOGNER LINE fits into this mold.
3) Thanks to the popularity of the whole market you can get GREAT sounds with a TUBE RIG that costs $500 out the door if you get a Pacifica Strat, Peavey / Crate Tube Amp and a Boss or Ibanez pedal.
Then, you could spend thousands and still sound great, but also find YOUR sound and feel.
Considering I play some decently nice gear, I can't complain about boutiques. If not for them we would all be playing DS1's through Carvin half stacks - which works for some but not for me.
