Your favorite cheap high gain tube amp

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I suggested solid state because when you want high gain, tube amps don't necessarily come cheap. Even the cheapest high gain tube amp will cost 2-3 times as much as a good high gain solid state head. (I've gotten a few of those for as little as $100.)
 
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Holy veal (that was auro-correct, but I think it was funny so I'm leaving it) did people jump on what I said. Eek.

No, I"m not saying anyone who mixes a transistor with tubes is foolish, I and just about everyone else does that, my point was that there is no reason to hold an attitude that everything HAS to be tube in order to get a good tone, which I've seen posted here before (but not specifically in this thread). If someone says anything that isn't full-tube is crap and then throws a solid state device in front, they're a hypocrite because their signal is no longer full-tube. I'm not saying using a tube amp is pointless if you are using any transistors at all, I'm just jabbing at cork-sniffers. Does that make sense? And no, I'm not saying tube amp users are cork-sniffers either, just the ones that think anything other than tubes automatically sucks.
 
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Holy veal (that was auro-correct, but I think it was funny so I'm leaving it) did people jump on what I said. Eek.

yea, I would have lost interest early had it not been for Red coming in.

Transistors are the more able-bodied version of a tube; they actually operate within the specifications they're assigned to. They do the same thing, only they can do it under much less operating voltage. The functional operations of a tube preamp can be replicated to a VERY close degree by transistors and an engineer tweaking some passive components, then that can be replicated from parts from Radio Shack.
Maybe it's the plate voltages being 4.5v instead of 150v. It allows for more gray areas of tonality and harmonic content. That, of course, can be calculated and added in. More chances to be inaccurate.

Now I can see wanting tube rectifiers and tube power stages...wait, no I can't. Tube rectification is a matter of passive resistors replacing the sag and slow compression that a tube makes that can be done with 9v voltages. A power tube's power curve has been well mapped and can also be replicated by either a set of EQs and boosts at particular volume onset, or by taking a smaller tube with similar properties that can run on low voltage, sending a signal through it and then boosting that signal via efficient chip amps. Quilter's a clever guy and has made a solid state amp with these precepts. I understand the Blackstar ID series has pretty much encapsulated this idea too.

So you can continue to assume that nobody can replicate a 12ax7 at max because it's a mystical, magical journey of sound and mind into metaltude. You're wrong, end of story. If you haven't found your good example, you have been looking at the packaging before you listen.

OP: that Diavolo is actually pretty cheap. Just the little one, or a bigger one? It sounded bretty gud
 
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Why all the tube vs. solid state preaching? The dude just wanted some recommendations on tube heads I dont get the soap boxing.
 
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You expected something else from this forum?

Actually yes I did. All the back biting and chest thumping are much akin to the days of Harmony central moreso than SDUGF. I get it this place has seen something of a paradigm shift in the last couple of years but that doesnt mean that I dont still expect it to be the pillar of helpfulness that it once was.
 
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Why all the tube vs. solid state preaching? The dude just wanted some recommendations on tube heads I dont get the soap boxing.
He also wanted cheap and hi gain.
I'd have been uninterested had there hadn't been a knee-jerk tube wave that rolled in. Discredit solid state all you want, but some of us haven't drunk the kool-aid on tubes. Especially when a pedal company can make a 150 dollar stomp box that replicates the tone enough to fool fanboys.
 
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He also wanted cheap and hi gain.
I'd have been uninterested had there hadn't been a knee-jerk tube wave that rolled in. Discredit solid state all you want, but some of us haven't drunk the kool-aid on tubes. Especially when a pedal company can make a 150 dollar stomp box that replicates the tone enough to fool fanboys.

The dude said he already owns multiple transistor amps and wants a tube amp and wants a recommendation. So you decide this is your pulpit for your anti tube crusade? *yawn* WTFE dude... Why is it so hard to just give some recommendations and not get soap boxy that you dont drink tubes?
 
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You're a tube addict and you need counseling, brohem. Come back from those lofty, expensive and unreliable heights and just TRY out a solid state. No judging, just acceptance of your sad state.
 
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You're a tube addict and you need counseling, brohem. Come back from those lofty, expensive and unreliable heights and just TRY out a solid state. No judging, just acceptance of your sad state.

My only interest is why is it so hard to give the OP the recommendations he asked for? Why does it have to include all the pro-solid state rhetoric? Why does it have to be shoved down everyone's throat?
 
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Because solid state does high gain really well for cheap. Tight low end and note separation either comes from a complicated and tough to sort out power and rectifier stage or just simply out of a transistor.
Its a rube Goldberg answer to a Gordian knot. You're just trying to over complicate and over spend, I think.
(Also ignore my multiple suggestions for a 5150)
 
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Because solid state does high gain really well for cheap. Tight low end and note separation either comes from a complicated and tough to sort out power and rectifier stage or just simply out of a transistor.
Its a rube Goldberg answer to a Gordian knot. You're just trying to over complicate and over spend, I think.
(Also ignore my multiple suggestions for a 5150)

Yes since tube amps are just so freaking complicated.... Its hard to hear your reccomendations of the 5150 over the din of your SS rhetoric
 
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Because solid state does high gain really well for cheap. Tight low end and note separation either comes from a complicated and tough to sort out power and rectifier stage or just simply out of a transistor.
Its a rube Goldberg answer to a Gordian knot. You're just trying to over complicate and over spend, I think.
(Also ignore my multiple suggestions for a 5150)

I think the 6505+ combo might fit pretty well, it's cheap (especially used, built well, and gets the job done.

Back to being off-topic, I find tube amp circuitry to be much more fun with power and output transformers, filter capacitors etc, and it really isn't much more complicated. It's fun to scare my peers when I casually show them what inside my amp holds 500+ mA and could easily kill me if I'm not careful. Then you start mentioning how to drain filter caps because they can store a charge long after being unplugged etc.
 
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Yeah, I'm thinking under 500. That Randall Diavlo stuff is sounding fun, especially since I can likely mod it to use EL34's. Mellow out, guys. I just wanted some suggestions, not evangelism. I've got a solid state or three already, and I'm definitely set on tubes.

I am looking into a Randal, because of a diff SD Forum thread.

If you want to to the SS High Gain route, why not a 120W Dime D100 ?

http://www.amazon.com/Dime-Amplific...UTF8&qid=1404517183&sr=8-2&keywords=dime+d100 - $376.00 Brand New

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dime-Amplif...005&prg=9374&rk=3&rkt=6&sd=121373894529&rt=nc - $300.00 BIN
 
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A single recto might be in the cards if I can sell some stuff... But I am still set on tubes. For home use and high gain, I have a Crate GFX65 that's tolerably ok.
 
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I'd like to try one of those new CP Oranges. Toss a fuzz in front of it and proceed to kill everything in a 3 mile radius.
 
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Unfortunately, I'm only able to think of:

My favorite ... high gain tube amp

or

My favorite cheap ... tube amp

and even that 'cheap' part is relative.
 
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