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    I'm thinking about getting a low watt (<10) cheap tube amp just for cleans. This amp is a novalty thing, I have a Peavey Vypyr 30 head/cab which kicks ass, I just always wanted a tube amp (not for $2000+ though). All the amps that meet the watt/$$ criteria only have a volume control, which is fine, don't really care. What I don't like is the volume is also a gain, so the higher up it is the dirtier it is. Kinda defeats the purpose with it being only for cleans. I have NO experience with tube stuff, can I do some swapping and make the vol. just a vol.? Maybe put in tubes that need a lot of push to get them to get dirty then putting them in a little 2-5 watt amp with no push to it? I don't know, I'm new at tubes & talking out my a$$.
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    Re: DON'T WANT TUBE AMP DISTORTION

    Anything less than 15 tube watts is going to break up most likely more than you wish. Tube swaps won't change it to do what you want. You'll just be chasing your tail. You need to step up to 40 or 50 tube watts to get solid loud cleans. I'm speaking in general terms.


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    • #3
      Re: DON'T WANT TUBE AMP DISTORTION

      So get a nice solid state amp instead?


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      • #4
        Re: DON'T WANT TUBE AMP DISTORTION

        Need more than 10 watts for good cleans.
        Last edited by guitfiddle; 04-27-2012, 07:17 PM.
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        • #5
          Re: DON'T WANT TUBE AMP DISTORTION

          low wattage amps are not for cleans. Wattage = headroom.
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          • #6
            Re: DON'T WANT TUBE AMP DISTORTION

            The lower the headroom the less cleans you are going to have....a 2 or 3 watt amp will have no real cleans at any real volumes...
            If you just read a post by The Guy Who Invented Fire please understand that opinions change, mind sets change and as players our ears mature...not to mention our needs grow and change. With that in mind, today I may or may not agree with the post you just read!

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            • #7
              Re: DON'T WANT TUBE AMP DISTORTION

              I have a 5-watt Marshall Class 5. I don't play it when I'm in a "clean" mood.


              Originally posted by nedcronin
              Pretty much what you suggested Ink.
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              dont worry about it bro. even if we dont like it...... were just internet ppl. not real ppl. more like a hulicination of a mythical forest creature.

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              • #8
                Re: DON'T WANT TUBE AMP DISTORTION

                Alright, unbelievablely great news, My friend GAVE me his Marshall JCM900 SL-X head for free! Hell yeah! Well not exactly free, he said it keeps blowing fuses so I have to track that down. Is there an area I should look at first to fix it? Are they known for arching? Hopefully this will fix easily and my clean amp problem solved (with a Marshall!!!!!)
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                • #9
                  Re: DON'T WANT TUBE AMP DISTORTION

                  Sure with the gain down the SLX will be clean... but i wouldnt ever accuse them of being good cleans. Using one for cleans is kinda like using a ferrari to pull a manure cart. Its a great score get the amp fixed and it will do killer distortion sounds for you. look elsewhere for great cleans.
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                  • #10
                    Re: DON'T WANT TUBE AMP DISTORTION

                    Vox Pathfinder's are cheap solid state and sound good clean. Just a suggestion.
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                    • #11
                      Re: DON'T WANT TUBE AMP DISTORTION

                      You might surprise yourself with how much you like tube distortion once you get that Marshall fixed.

                      As others have said, you don't get a good clean tone from a low wattage tube amp. I have a Peavey Valve King Royal 8 (5 watt class A tube amp), and it has very little clean tone. I use it as a practice amp most of the time and constantly got yelled at by a former band leader to get a cleaner tone out of it, despite me telling him why it was unable to get clean. After a while I stopped bringing that amp and starting bringing my Roland Cube 60, which while not a tube, has better cleans that 90% of the tube amps I've ever played.
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                      • #12
                        Re: DON'T WANT TUBE AMP DISTORTION

                        I tore it apart on my lunch break and saw it's the main fuse that's blown. I looked at the circuit boards and all the trinky-dinks on the boards and it all looked fine. What about the transformers (2), do they go bad?
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                        • #13
                          Re: DON'T WANT TUBE AMP DISTORTION

                          Originally posted by Bfeeney View Post
                          I tore it apart on my lunch break and saw it's the main fuse that's blown. I looked at the circuit boards and all the trinky-dinks on the boards and it all looked fine. What about the transformers (2), do they go bad?
                          Based on posts you've made thus far I'm going to give you some friendly advise...

                          You have nothing in the amp so spend a little cash and TAKE IT TO A PRO AND HAVE IT FIXED.

                          Just trust me...you'll be safer in the long run and the amp just might live to rock another day.


                          All this said a JCM900SLX isn't going to be very loud and clean at all but for free you can't complain!
                          If you just read a post by The Guy Who Invented Fire please understand that opinions change, mind sets change and as players our ears mature...not to mention our needs grow and change. With that in mind, today I may or may not agree with the post you just read!

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                          • #14
                            Re: DON'T WANT TUBE AMP DISTORTION

                            If you want a clean tube amp, a low-wattage one is not the best choice.
                            Originally posted by LesStrat
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                            • #15
                              Re: DON'T WANT TUBE AMP DISTORTION

                              When I see you say you don't want tube amp distortion, my question is, "Why not?" You see, it sounds awesome, even in small doses.

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