Screaming Demons of ECC83s/12AX7

[Dr.Mavashi]

That's pretty much it, what brand of these has gain characteristics associated with Screaming Demon into a hot EL34 amp? My #1 has a fullshred, my #2 is likely to have S-Deco or PG, but reading comparisons of S-Deco to Screaming Demon I though it would be interesting if these pups went into a pre-amp with characteristics of Screaming Demon .... Hopefully this does not sound too idiotic ...

Thanks.

[Demanic]

Re: Screaming Demons of ECC83s/12AX7

I'm not sure if one can compare the character of a pickup to the character of a pre-amp tube.
Anybody else?

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[VinceT]

Re: Screaming Demons of ECC83s/12AX7

I'm not sure if one can compare the character of a pickup to the character of a pre-amp tube.
Anybody else?

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Right. To me, the slightly more applicable question is which tone-stack the preamp has, rather than the tube - but that’s still a difficult comparison.


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[hamerfan]

Re: Screaming Demons of ECC83s/12AX7

Nevertheless i try an answer: Shuaguang 12ax7b (selected for gain) its a screaming demon beast

[Rex_Rocker]

Re: Screaming Demons of ECC83s/12AX7

What are characteristics of a Screaming Demon we're talking about? Not very high-gain and bright?

[Dr.Mavashi]

Re: Screaming Demons of ECC83s/12AX7

What are characteristics of a Screaming Demon we're talking about? Not very high-gain and bright?

Tight but moderate low end, very detailed when pushed, complex mid range, bright.

[misterwhizzy]

Re: Screaming Demons of ECC83s/12AX7

Tight but moderate low end, very detailed when pushed, complex mid range, bright.

Tung-Sol or Electroharmonix. Anyone who says JJ is wrong.

[dystrust]

Re: Screaming Demons of ECC83s/12AX7

Nevertheless i try an answer: Shuaguang 12ax7b (selected for gain) its a screaming demon beast

Tung-Sol or Electroharmonix. Anyone who says JJ is wrong.

Definitely not JJ; I find them to be rather dark sounding and only like them in REALLY bright amps like my Jet City JCA22H. The Shuguang 12AX7 is quite the bright, trebly screamer, but they have boatload of gain too. EHs are tight and detailed when pushed, and they have good mids too. Tung-Sols are similar, but a bit more gain; I use them in V1 in most of my amps.

[Rex_Rocker]

Re: Screaming Demons of ECC83s/12AX7

I disagree about EH's being tight. They're clear and bright with LOTS of highs and upper mids (kinda harsh), very scooped low mids, a big (to the point of boomy IMO) low-end, and a slightly smeared pick attack. Honestly, for high-gain, they're my least favorite.

Tung Sols are tighter/drier and also less harsh while still maintaining the bright/clear footprint, but they're pretty high-gain. Not overly compressed, IMO, but still pretty fierce. Kinda scoopy but "complex" too. I'm thinking these are maybe close to what you want?

Shuguang 9th gens are grainy with a cool upper-mid rasp and a relatively big but controlled bottom-end. Pretty gainy/fierce, though.

Mullard CV4004's (the short plate ones) are to me like a cross between the Chinese 9th Gens and the Tung-Sol. It's in the same bright/clear family as the EH and Tung Sol, but it's got a hint of that Chinese mid grind. Very cool tube, my personal favorite. Take a look into those as well.

The Shuguang Mullard-style (same as Ruby C7's and Genalex standard-pin) are fat, round, and mid-focused. Not as grindy or grainy as the more popular 9th Gens.

JJ's I wouldn't say are dark, but they're definitely slightly scooped in the high-mids and with juicy low mids that don't extend into the deepest lows. They're smooth but focused, tight, and squishy with a hint of rasp. So not those either.

That's ECC83S's, though. ECC803S's are kinda like the opposite with a very open frequency response and not as compressed. Maybe look into those as well.

JMO.