DIY Fret leveling advice

[GuitarStv]

If you use a flat device to level a straight radius neck, you're imposing your guess on what the radius is. Whereas if you use a radius block, it results in a perfect radius, and requires less work because it covers the entire horizontal area at once. But I guess you're entitled to create more work and poorer results for yourself if you want. Have fun.

FWIW -

I think all my guitars are compound radius now. You're imposing your guess what the radius is no matter what device you use to level 'em. I agree that it's probably slightly easier to use a radius block if you've got a straight radius up and down the neck.

[Clint 55]

It doesn't compromise the results because buzz is only caused by frets adjacent to each other. It's physically impossible for frets outside the length of a foot long radius block to cause buzz. In addition, you don't level the entire thing, fret 1 to fret 21, relative to each other. After you have it flat, you have to go back in and put in some fallaway at the heel starting at about fret 14 or 15 because the bow isn't effective there. However, guessing on the radius of the neck does compromise the results. My entire collection of guitars plays perfectly, with rounded ends. How about you give it a rest.

[Top-L]

If you use a flat device to level a straight radius neck, you're imposing your guess on what the radius is. Whereas if you use a radius block, it results in a perfect radius, and requires less work because it covers the entire horizontal area at once. But I guess you're entitled to create more work and poorer results for yourself if you want. Have fun.

You are just wrong. The biggest factor to success is the length of the leveling beam.

If you can find a radius block that is the entire length of the neck (or near), it would be something to consider. Most radius blocks are quite short. You want the frets to be level, and you accomplish this by uniform removing of material. A shorter beam or block compromises the results.

Until you can get your mind around this, you need to stop giving advice on fret leveling. Also ask yourself, why your advice is different than everyone elses?

[Clint 55]

If you use a flat device to level a straight radius neck, you're imposing your guess on what the radius is. Whereas if you use a radius block, it results in a perfect radius, and requires less work because it covers the entire horizontal area at once. But I guess you're entitled to create more work and poorer results for yourself if you want. Have fun.

[Top-L]

This moron has pretty easily levelled the frets on three guitars so that they all play with low action and no buzzing using a flat levelling file and no radius blocks.

:P

Agree. 99% of instructional videos show using a leveling beam and clint says you need a radius block.

From what I gather, radius block is for the fretboard when you refret. Maybe clint had a bad experience with a beam. Or maybe he doesnt have experience.

[Top-L]

I just want to add that I ****ed up my arm leveling/crowing/polishing all my guitars.

About 2 months ago, I had free time to do 5 of my guitars that needed level/crown work, and over a week that is all I did.

I developed "tennis elbow" (tendonitis) in my right arm. Due to work, I was unable to completely stop using my arm, although I cut back as much as I could.

Today I still have pain, and I'm unable to do any physical work, I can't play guitar, can't workout, can't do any physical labor or yard work, am wearing braces to limit movement, and am just waiting for the pain to go away.

Non stop filing and polishing, back and forth, mixed with weight lifting, lots of computer programming and writing has ****ed up my arm good. I am still hopeful the pain will subside and I can start PT. If it doesnt get better I will need another dr visit, maybe an xray, etc, hoping it is just inflammation and not a tear, not require surgery, etc.

Sadly I will forever be wary of doing crown/polishing work on my guitars even though I got quite good at it.

[GuitarStv]

You're incorrect. It doesn't matter as long as you get the scratches out through the rest of the process. You can use 150 or 220 to do your initial level but it just takes longer and doesn't save you that much material. After I'm done, my jumbo frets are still jumbo, you wouldn't think they have been made excessively smaller. The flat leveling files that people are recommending like morons instead of radius blocks are about 60 grit.

This moron has pretty easily levelled the frets on three guitars so that they all play with low action and no buzzing using a flat levelling file and no radius blocks.

:P

[Clint 55]

And I CERTAINLY wouldn't EVER start with 60-80 grit on the frets even on a crummy throw-away guitar, unless you actually want to end up with a "fretless" guitar.

You're incorrect. It doesn't matter as long as you get the scratches out through the rest of the process. You can use 150 or 220 to do your initial level but it just takes longer and doesn't save you that much material. After I'm done, my jumbo frets are still jumbo, you wouldn't think they have been made excessively smaller. The flat leveling files that people are recommending like morons instead of radius blocks are about 60 grit.

[GuitarDoc]

Not to split hairs but any decent tech can do fretwork. You don’t need a mfn ‘luthier’ to level and crown.

Of course. You don't even need to be a tech. ANYONE can do it...if you know how.

And how do you know who can and who can't do it right? Like I said, this is probably the most important/critical work to be done on a guitar. You don't want or need to pay someone to screw it up. It really needs to be done right the first time. Believe me, I know. I've been doing fret work for 50 years and I've done my share of screw-ups, mostly early on. But even when you're good at it and you think you're being very careful, a simple mistake/slip can ruin a guitar. It seems that the OP is certainly not to the point where he could do a decent fret job even if he had all of the essential tools.

[formula73]

Not to split hairs but any decent tech can do fretwork. You don’t need a mfn ‘luthier’ to level and crown.

[GuitarDoc]

Well, there certainly is a lot of bad advice in this thread.

It seams most everyone's trying to tell him "how" to do it himself. Which, in and of itself isn't necessarily bad. But it takes a lot of specialized tools, time, money, patience and practice to become proficient at doing fretwork. A lot of mistakes and waste will happen along the way. At one point the OP stated that he can't even afford a good fret crowning file. This is NOT good advice to recommend buying $500 of tools and expect 3-4 wasted necks due to mistakes from lack of learning/experience. If he just wanted to learn how to do fretwork, that's another story. But to just get his guitar fixed correctly is not a good time to learn fretwork...probably the most intricate and detailed (and most important) work to be done on a guitar.

For this particular person at this particular time the best advice (which WAS given) is to take the guitar to a good luthier...not a "guitar tech" working at Guitar Center claiming to be good at what he does. There are multiple possibilities of what the problems are here and it needs to be dealt with by someone capable of solving them.

[GuitarDoc]

It's possible to learn or at least do a reasonable job after a few necks. I certainly wouldn't go at a nice guitar first try tho. It's something I'd recommend so then you'll always know and won't have to pay other people forever.

And I CERTAINLY wouldn't EVER start with 60-80 grit on the frets even on a crummy throw-away guitar, unless you actually want to end up with a "fretless" guitar.

[jimilee]

One other thing I'd like to add. Stew mac tools are the real deal and are significantly better quality than the stuff you can buy for cheap. While you can get a whole file set, crowning set, end files, etc for the cost of one Stew mac 3 corner file, the Stew mac will do a better job than all of the above and last a lifetime. A lot of these amazon tools will last you a few jobs.

If you have the money, buy once cry once. This is very true with specialized tools.

This. I’ve gone both routes, taking the long way around, you spend twice as much and create twice the work for yourself.


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[jimzucco]

One other thing I'd like to add. Stew mac tools are the real deal and are significantly better quality than the stuff you can buy for cheap. While you can get a whole file set, crowning set, end files, etc for the cost of one Stew mac 3 corner file, the Stew mac will do a better job than all of the above and last a lifetime. A lot of these amazon tools will last you a few jobs.

If you have the money, buy once cry once. This is very true with specialized tools.

[jimzucco]

My advice is, first and foremost, don't get too caught up on buzz. Almost all guitars with low action buzz to some degree. It's only ever an issue if it comes through the amp. That being said, I do all my guitar work myself and you do not need any specialized equipment or tools at all. You can get perfect results with stuff you buy from harbor freight.

Grab a set of small needle files, not diamond. Grab a straight edge. Get a 24" level, go for aluminum. Grab some 320-1000 grit sandpaper, rolls would be nice so you can cut to length, but whatever you have available works too. Get some double sided tape. You'll want to get some sharpies, some steel wool pads (not the ones with soap haha), and if you have a dremel maybe some brown polishing compound and polishing wheels in place of the steel wool. Also get masking tape.

Grab your straight edge and hold it along the neck. Mark off with sharpie where each fret is and use your file to make a notch for each fret. Now you have a notched straight edge. Adjust your truss so that it's flat flat flat (no strings of course). Stick 320 or 400 grit to the length of the aluminum level with double sided tape - no bumps or folds, make sure it's nice. Color frets with sharpie so that the tops are all black. Now place the level with sandpaper on the frets and begin sanding back and forth, trying hard to be hitting all the frets evenly. You don't need to press down at all, weight of the level is enough. Go slow and you'll start to notice that the sharpie is sanding off. Some frets (the lower ones) will still be black whole others will begin to flatten on top. You want to keep sanding ALL of the frets (even the ones now without sharpie) until ALL the frets are free of sharpie on top. You now have a leveled fretboard but you need to crown and polish.

Mask off your fretboard with masking tape, doing it one fret at a time is perfectly fine, crown the fret, pull the tape, next fret. Anyway, color your frets again with black sharpie. I highly suggest you take one of the 3 corner or flat files from your needle file set and use sandpaper or a belt sander to smooth one edge. This way you have a safe edge on your fret file. Purchasing a specialized crowning file will make this so much easier. With your 3 corner file begin to carefully file the black colored line on top of each fret to the straightest and thinnest line you can, while still keeping a line on top. What you're doing here is shaping the top of the fret to a nice thin point. After you've done all the frets you want to hit each fret with progressively finer grits of sandpaper from about 600 to 1000. Then finish off with steel wool or a dremel with polishing compound. You'll want the entire board taped off for this, with just frets exposed.

Buying the specialized equipment, even the cheap stuff from Amazon, can save a massive amount of time and trouble. Pick and choose what you're comfortable with. If you buy one specialized tool I would recommend a crowning file. I also highly recommend you practice at least once on a trash neck. And finally, I recommend you really study the process and understand what you're doing in each step. Understanding everything you're doing helps a lot. Trust me, I've ruined necks before because I didn't understand what I was doing.