Ceramic/Alnico HYBRID

[krulty]

Re: Ceramic/Alnico HYBRID

Iommi sound may not be true vintage, but its not exactly modern. I've looked into it now and its made with Alnico 2 magnet and Enamel coated wire, every thing about it is made to vintage specs apart from the ceramic magnet. so in essence it is a vintage pickup.

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: Ceramic/Alnico HYBRID

The Iommi is a hybrid magnet structure like has been said here but I will add this...with the wind of the Iommi and the ceramic magnet it is rather far from a vintage pickup. I had a set and while I liked them Ia lot in fact) they are night and day when compared to a PAF or other vintage style pickup.

[Falloffthebonetone]

Re: Ceramic/Alnico HYBRID

Iommi is like gibsons second hottest pickup right? Sounds pretty modern.

[Falloffthebonetone]

Re: Ceramic/Alnico HYBRID

My mistake, 3rd hottest

http://www.gibson.com/Files/_gear/datasheets/Pickup_Guide.pdf

[Myaccount876]

Re: Ceramic/Alnico HYBRID

Also, Gibson holds the patent for pickups with different magnet combos (at least for bar-mag combos in humbuckers) because SD has the Five-Two and P90s have multiple magnets. So Gibson is really you're only option along with one SD model (which if I remember correctly is only offered in a single coil without getting the custom shop involved).

The rumor though is that the Iommi has a ceramic and A2, BUT the entire pickup is sealed in black epoxy so no one is sure until someone is willing to cut two $150 each pickups in half - thus ruining it - just to look inside. I've heard it could even have ceramic, A2, AND A5 mags, but again, no one is sure.

[0v3nm4n]

Re: Ceramic/Alnico HYBRID

Could you not use 2 slug coils, where one has Alnico rods and the other had a ceramic bar directly under the non-magnetic rods of the coil?

I've seen a single coil that had a ceramic bar under non-magnetic rods, and it worked for that (not sure who made it, though - came with a free-floating Jackson cover).

Bump on that one.

I'd have one slug be A5 with a custom winding, and one be ceramic on a JB/Dist. winding, all sitting on an A8 magnet. If it could even be done

[J E C]

Re: Ceramic/Alnico HYBRID

I have thought about a HB with one coil loaded with AlNiCo rods like a single coil or stagmag, and taking the place of the slug coil, with the other coil having adjustable pole pieces and a bar mag in the usual position. Have also thought of staking two bar mags of different types in the usual place.

[DrNewcenstein]

Re: Ceramic/Alnico HYBRID

The only concern I have with 2 different magnets together like that is how the magnetic field might react. Opposites attract, so if there's any electrical phase inversion from putting N/S/N, then won't that affect the tone? Perhaps negatively? Could it be corrected simply by swapping wires? (i.e. Green/Black, etc).

As well, wouldn't the stronger magnet tend to overpower, and possibly "reconfigure" weaker mags being so close together?

The Sustainiac driver comes with a small metal tab you can place in the neck pickup cavity between the driver and a middle pickup, just in case the driver (an electromagnet, basically) interfered with the middle pickup
Would the same type of "deflector" be needed with a magnetic-pole coil + non-magnetic-poles-on-a-bar hybrid?

[0v3nm4n]

Re: Ceramic/Alnico HYBRID

FYI, when the first humbucker was invented, there were no screws in the bobbins, just slugs. Gibson's marketing guys said they need to be produced with screws in them so the user has the feeling s/he has control over the sound. <- story is paraphrased, but just keep in mind that the only way you can control the pups sound is by raising and lowering it. screw bits in the bobbins don't change anything.

[Edgecrusher]

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screw bits in the bobbins don't change anything.

Your right on the story but i'm gonna disagree on the polepieces. You can prove it in less than 2 minutes by lowering and raising the pole pieces any humbucker that has them.

[0v3nm4n]

Re: Ceramic/Alnico HYBRID

Your right on the story but i'm gonna disagree on the polepieces. You can prove it in less than 2 minutes by lowering and raising the pole pieces any humbucker that has them.

Just tried it, seems legit. It's useful when you want to kind of even out the distance of each individual string from the pup (because tilting the pup left and right won't help with the radius curve as much as each screw will)...but why don't they do it to both coils? some pickups have this option, but they don't make it more common. something is amiss here.

[DeathMetalRob]

Re: Ceramic/Alnico HYBRID

Anybody have a vague idea of what two ceramic 8's surrounding an A9 would sound like..?

[LtKojak]

Re: Ceramic/Alnico HYBRID

Anybody have a vague idea of what two ceramic 8's surrounding an A9 would sound like..?

Just like the C8, but it'll cost you five times the price.

[Dark Order Lord]

Re: Ceramic/Alnico HYBRID

Also, Gibson holds the patent for pickups with different magnet combos (at least for bar-mag combos in humbuckers) because SD has the Five-Two and P90s have multiple magnets. So Gibson is really you're only option along with one SD model (which if I remember correctly is only offered in a single coil without getting the custom shop involved).

The rumor though is that the Iommi has a ceramic and A2, BUT the entire pickup is sealed in black epoxy so no one is sure until someone is willing to cut two $150 each pickups in half - thus ruining it - just to look inside. I've heard it could even have ceramic, A2, AND A5 mags, but again, no one is sure.

Really dude? What about the BKP Juggernaut?

[Toe-Knee]

Re: Ceramic/Alnico HYBRID

Really dude? What about the BKP Juggernaut?

and the entwistle nemesis AFG and the bulldog dropzone