Tryed the no RWRP on a strat thing .

[DreX]

Re: Tryed the no RWRP on a strat thing .

95% is a A grade in my book. Plus who is really going to notice that once the drums, bass, keys, horns, etc kick in? I'll take a "alleged" 5% loss for noise free performance.

IMO 5% is bigger than the difference between after market pickups and the stock pickups they replace, so I'm a little surprised to see someone who would accept 5% compromise in their tone on an after market pickup forum. More people don't care than do, but they are all somewhere else.

[Chris of Arabia]

Re: Tryed the no RWRP on a strat thing .

So glad to see that not only am I not nuts but I'm not alone either!

You're never alone with a Klon (or is that a Soul Food these days?)

[LReese]

Re: Tryed the no RWRP on a strat thing .

You always have the option of using the Stacks in single coil mode - I remember EJ saying in an interview his HS-2 seemed quieter just by having that bottom coil there, but disconnected.

Not sure how this translates to the more modern designs.

There's other issues with stacks - the combo sounds typically don't sound right, IMO. Also the guitars I like to use have shallow cavities and dealing with the added height of Stacks can be an issue.

[Rockstar216]

Re: Tryed the no RWRP on a strat thing .

That (5%) won't matter in the studio when the engineer is cutting and boosting frequencies and it definitely doesn't matter to the audience because they are their to hear the band as a unit and the music as a whole.

[LReese]

Re: Tryed the no RWRP on a strat thing .

I'm not using them in front of an audience or recording though.

The Suhr and Ilitch systems get very quiet with only imperceptibly (if it does that) impacting tone. I'm not referring to the backplates. Its the built in systems I have experience with. The backplates are slightly less effective.

Admittedly its an expensive option - about the cost of Antiquitiy Singles to get the new version if the Ilitch in pick guard format. Suhr presently only with a Suhr guitar.

[DreX]

Re: Tryed the no RWRP on a strat thing .

That (5%) won't matter in the studio when the engineer is cutting and boosting frequencies and it definitely doesn't matter to the audience because they are their to hear the band as a unit and the music as a whole.

After market pickups don't matter in general in these scenarios. If you're a working musician and these are your chief concerns, there are far better ways to spend your time. When I was in a band, I didn't care about pickups, I worried about writing new material, promotion and how to fire band members gently. It's only with the luxury of time, peace and quiet that I've become more discerning with pickup tone.

[Lewguitar]

Re: Tryed the no RWRP on a strat thing .

5% does matter...BIG TIME!

IMO, any of the tonal improvements we tone-o-holics obsess about are in the 1 - 5% range all of the time.

[AlexR]

Re: Tryed the no RWRP on a strat thing .

That (5%) won't matter in the studio when the engineer is cutting and boosting frequencies and it definitely doesn't matter to the audience because they are their to hear the band as a unit and the music as a whole.

You know, its a funny coincidence but every time I ever hear the 'you'll never hear x once the drummer etc kicks in' line trotted out its someone desperately trying to justify their own choice to themselves

As you've now done it twice in one thread you must be really scared.

[DreX]

Re: Tryed the no RWRP on a strat thing .

Here's a post on this forum from 2012 graphing DiMarzio areas against a true single coil https://forum.seymourduncan.com/show...=1#post3196976

[Rockstar216]

Re: Tryed the no RWRP on a strat thing .

You know, its a funny coincidence but every time I ever hear the 'you'll never hear x once the drummer etc kicks in' line trotted out its someone desperately trying to justify their own choice to themselves

As you've now done it twice in one thread you must be really scared.

I don't really use singles and haven't in years stacked or true. I use a lil screamin demon but thats still a bucker and have a squire with true singles as a back up for worst case scenario but rarely ever touch it. But I stand behind that statement 100% and would bet my gear very few people could ever tell the difference if they were asked in a blind test.

If you want to use true singles and put up with hum and static thats your prerogative me ill stick to the noiseless and keep the old heads guessing.

[Rockstar216]

Re: Tryed the no RWRP on a strat thing .

Here's a post on this forum from 2012 graphing DiMarzio areas against a true single coil https://forum.seymourduncan.com/show...=1#post3196976

I remember that post and in it it also said the noiseless sound like true singles but don't behave as true singles which to some extent is true. But a graph isn't the same as a recording or playing them in person.

[ItsaBass]

Re: Tryed the no RWRP on a strat thing .

This is great!!!

I've been against the RW/RP thing for years now but folks just told me I was nuts!!!

So glad to see that not only am I not nuts but I'm not alone either!


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Same here. It always made me roll my eyes how hard people tried to nail what they thought was the perfect "vintage" Strat tone, obsessing over every little detail.....yet using a RW/RP middle pickup and a five-way switch.

[DreX]

Re: Tryed the no RWRP on a strat thing .

I remember that post and in it it also said the noiseless sound like true singles but don't behave as true singles which to some extent is true. But a graph isn't the same as a recording or playing them in person.

The graph is objective, in theory, and in that respect better than subjective experience. You can tell yourself whatever you want about what you think you're hearing, but the graph remains the same. What I see in the graph is a what was described in that thread, sort of an artificial jack up of the highs to create the impression of a single coil, but with more compression and a drop off. It's all precisely what I would have expected, and it's why I'm not interested in them.

[stevie_bees]

Re: Tryed the no RWRP on a strat thing .

...but folks just told me I was nuts!!!

That's a whole different story!

[stevie_bees]

Re: Tryed the no RWRP on a strat thing .

It's funny that after all the tonal searching people seem to be heading back to how it was originally done! Must be something in it!