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  • Reviews for the Distortion and Invader

    Hey what's up bros! A bit overdue, here're my reviews of the Duncans I recently bought:



    Duncan Distortion [bridge] - A kick ass p/u for any kind of rock. It's really hot, and you can hear your signal being pushed harder and hotter through your amp. My caveat with it was that while it was a much hotter pickup, it didn't really make my tone crunchier, which is what I thought was looking for. So, instead of returning it, I moved it to the middle position, which will take us to the next review:



    Duncan Distortion [middle/neck] - Hooooooooooooooooly ****. Those were the first words out of my mouth when I moved my selector to the middle positions. This pickup sounds out of ****ing control in the neck. Great for nailing older/vintagey kinda tones, like old school metal and 80s hardcore, etc. Fantastic for rhythm work as well due to the unparalled clarity this pickup offers. Keep in mind that the Duncan Distortion I bought is intended for the bridge and not the neck, so take this particular review with a grain of salt.



    Duncan Invader [bridge] - Awesome, awesome pickup for punk, metal, hardcore; our kind of ****. I see exactly why Senor Ramos uses this *****. It ****ing roars, rocks, and rips; killer lead tone. To sum it up:


    The Invader gives you CRUNCH and power

    The Distortion gives you CLARITY and POWER.



    I knew there'd be some sort of tradeoff and I had to find out for myself what it was. The Invader isn't muddy **** as alot of people claim it to be, however you DO lose a bit of clarity when you play actual chords as opposed to power chords. Not so much with mid-high register triads but with lower register triads, 7ths, 9ths, 11ths etc you'll have to tweak your settings and/or voicings to really hear all the notes sing. But where you lose a little bit of clarity [and power compared to the Distortion], the Invader ****ing delivers with crunch and a burning tone when you're playing leads.

    When I switch to the Distortion (which is in the middle/neck position) it's actually LOUDER than the Invader, which confirms my suspicions that its a hotter pickup in regards to raw volume and power. This past sunday I'm practicing with my new band [Last Semester] and I find myself turning up my amp as the current mix [bass, drums, 2 guitars, no singer as he was in O-town] was just too thick for the Invader. I didn't have to do that when the Distortion was in the bridge. IMHO, the Distortion just naturally CUTS through the mix better than the Invader does. But almost everything in life is a tradeoff when you really think about it.


    All in all, I'm happy with my purchases. I might end up selling the Invader and getting Twin Distortions, but for now I'm very happy with my tones. This will definately hold me over until the most righteous EC-1000 is off of ****ing backorder. Short of buying EMGs, I know for a fact that my guitar is loaded with quite possibly a couple of the hottest pickups, passive or active, that are currently available.



    -Astheskyfalls



    P.S. If any reps from Seymour Duncan happen to read this, it'd be nice if you guys made a custom/hybrid sort of pickup that blends the qualities of the Distortion and Invader Pickups. That'd be the ultimate pickup for harder music.

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    Re: Reviews for the Distortion and Invader

    So that leaves me with a question...which one do I get...I want clarity and a ton of power....why cant they just make a Duncan Distourtion/Invader hybrid pickup?
    Guitar:
    Ibanez GAX70
    Fender DG-11E (Acoustic)

    Amp:
    Crate XT120R

    Dream Rig:
    Mesa Boogie Duel Rectifier Half Stack
    Gibson Faded V
    Gibson Explorer in White

    *BIGGEST COHEED AND CAMBRIA FAN EAST OF THE MISSISSIPPI!!!*

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    • #3
      Re: Reviews for the Distortion and Invader

      I have nothing, but good things to say about each of the pickups talked about here. I however believe which you like better depends on what amp you are using. I personally have fell in love with Duncan Distortion/Full Shred combo, in my S5470. I am playing through Mesa Boogie Stiletto and it is loves the Duncan Distortion.

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      • #4
        Re: Reviews for the Distortion and Invader

        If you want something between the Distortion and Invader, the closest thing is probably the PATB-2 Parallel Axis Distortion. It's hotter than the Distortion, very compressed. But articulate with a slightly sweeter solo tone. It also has thicker, growlier lower mids/bass, awesome for huge riffs. But still articulate enough for speed metal.

        It's not commonly recommended for fixed bridges, as many feel the Parallel Axis pickups, which are primarily advertised for thickening up floating vibrato bridge guitars, get too thick there.

        To me, the PATB-2 sounds like a mix of the best elements of the Invader, Distortion and JB. Awesome for riffs, rhythm and lead. Without the downsides of any of them. Brighter than the Invader, less biting than the Distortion, less risk of piercing upper mids than the JB. But enough of all of their qualities to approach them with a bit of amp EQ tweaking.

        As far as the Distortion being hotter than the Invader... The further you get from the bridge, the hotter and thicker the pickup sounds, that's why most guitars have brighter, lower output neck pickups. On the other hand, the Invader has the coil further from the strings, relying on larger polepieces and more magnets to bring the magnetic field close enough. I've seen some convincing arguments that makes it lower output than it might be, and that swapping out it's screws for ones from a DiMarzio Super Distortion makes it effectively hotter and broader frequency response.

        Note the JB, Distortion and Invader all share the same wind, with slightly increased amount of wire from model to model. Biggest difference is the magnet. A5, thick ceramic, thick ceramic with ceramic boosters. The PATB-2 is a Distortion with different coil architecture, with a lot of extra wire fit due to coil shape/size differences.

        Hope all this rambling was helpful!

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        • #5
          Re: Reviews for the Distortion and Invader

          you know, you could take a distortion, push out the slugs and replace them with the big invader screws. problem is, getting the pickup height right would be a problem on account of the big screw heads on 1 coil.
          on an LP, you could turn the pickup ring around and that should balance it out enough


          btw, the distortion will sound louder because it's further away from the bridge; the neck and middle slots are naturally louder.

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          • #6
            Re: Reviews for the Distortion and Invader

            Nice review. I love both pups. Especially, the Distortion split and the Invader in parallel, neck and bridge respectively.

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            • #7
              Re: Reviews for the Distortion and Invader

              Originally posted by Despair View Post
              If you want something between the Distortion and Invader, the closest thing is probably the PATB-2 Parallel Axis Distortion. It's hotter than the Distortion, very compressed. But articulate with a slightly sweeter solo tone. It also has thicker, growlier lower mids/bass, awesome for huge riffs. But still articulate enough for speed metal.

              It's not commonly recommended for fixed bridges, as many feel the Parallel Axis pickups, which are primarily advertised for thickening up floating vibrato bridge guitars, get too thick there.

              To me, the PATB-2 sounds like a mix of the best elements of the Invader, Distortion and JB. Awesome for riffs, rhythm and lead. Without the downsides of any of them. Brighter than the Invader, less biting than the Distortion, less risk of piercing upper mids than the JB. But enough of all of their qualities to approach them with a bit of amp EQ tweaking.

              As far as the Distortion being hotter than the Invader... The further you get from the bridge, the hotter and thicker the pickup sounds, that's why most guitars have brighter, lower output neck pickups. On the other hand, the Invader has the coil further from the strings, relying on larger polepieces and more magnets to bring the magnetic field close enough. I've seen some convincing arguments that makes it lower output than it might be, and that swapping out it's screws for ones from a DiMarzio Super Distortion makes it effectively hotter and broader frequency response.

              Note the JB, Distortion and Invader all share the same wind, with slightly increased amount of wire from model to model. Biggest difference is the magnet. A5, thick ceramic, thick ceramic with ceramic boosters. The PATB-2 is a Distortion with different coil architecture, with a lot of extra wire fit due to coil shape/size differences.

              Hope all this rambling was helpful!

              Sorry to drag this review from the deep, but as I have been using the DD for 18 years and recently purchased the Invader (still waiting for as I write this) I really appreciate this review.... THANKS!
              DARK ORDER - 'Cold war of the Condor', 'The Violence Continuum' & '5000 Years of Violence' available now.... www.darkorder.com.au

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              • #8
                Re: Reviews for the Distortion and Invader

                Originally posted by ArtieToo View Post
                Nice review. I love both pups. Especially, the Distortion split and the Invader in parallel, neck and bridge respectively.
                I can imagine both of those would work well.

                Can't really speak to the Invader. However, the Distortion is My #1 fave pup in the el scorcher department!

                And, while there is no DD/DI hybrid, there is the Duncan Designed HB 108: Basically a Distortion wind with invader pole pieces. Lot's of love out there for it. Never tried that either but it's on my short list for my next Vendetta project.
                Originally posted by Bad City
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                • #9
                  Re: Reviews for the Distortion and Invader

                  Ok everyone, I got my invader and I did a demo playing 'War Ensemble' by Slayer, one track with the Distortion, and one track with the Invader, and they both things that they do better than the other, but none say to me which way to go. The DD has a tighter sound, clearer mids, the Invader has a deeper sound and more top top end , not upper mids. Now, I as of yet have not tried it with the swap of pole pieces to the dimarzio small hex screws. Basicaly Im in need of the DD with more mid growl , so will swpping the screws on the Invader bring me closer to what Im looking for???????


                  BTW, I will post the demo on YouTube asap!!!!
                  Last edited by Dark Order Lord; 04-07-2012, 03:18 AM.
                  DARK ORDER - 'Cold war of the Condor', 'The Violence Continuum' & '5000 Years of Violence' available now.... www.darkorder.com.au

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                  "A true Metal-head displays from the heart alone, not by what image is portrayed. For many are around the well, but none are in the spring"

                  "War is the failure of the human spirit" - A.J.P. Taylor

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                  • #10
                    Re: Reviews for the Distortion and Invader

                    I couldn't agree more in my Les Paul I'm running the following

                    SH-6N
                    SH-6B

                    the pick attack and response, you better stand back..

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                    • #11
                      Re: Reviews for the Distortion and Invader

                      Originally posted by Dark Order Lord View Post
                      Ok everyone, I got my invader and I did a demo playing 'War Ensemble' by Slayer, one track with the Distortion, and one track with the Invader, and they both things that they do better than the other, but none say to me which way to go. The DD has a tighter sound, clearer mids, the Invader has a deeper sound and more top top end , not upper mids. Now, I as of yet have not tried it with the swap of pole pieces to the dimarzio small hex screws. Basicaly Im in need of the DD with more mid growl , so will swpping the screws on the Invader bring me closer to what Im looking for???????
                      No, but an Alnico 8 in the DD will. If you do swap the magnet, remember to rotate the spacers 90 degrees, because they're too thick for a regular magnet.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Reviews for the Distortion and Invader

                        Thats an interesting solution... I suppose it WILL give significant midgrowl boost, it did with me. The bass chugg might be compromised, but its def worth a try...

                        Btw, what is a ceramic 8? Is that a regular ceramic? Does that mean it matches the Alnico8 in some measurable way? What is the DD ceramic?
                        ••••••••••••••••••••••
                        4 hb (80's rawk) comparison (PG8-DSD-Ant-JB)
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CCULONDTzI
                        VAN HALEN gtr tone: 10 Cheats
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcaTtAFnpWE
                        Dunc Dist Demo
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWbO7NvEpk0

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                          Re: Reviews for the Distortion and Invader

                          If you want more Slayer-y mids, try the A8. At first the DD & Invader will seem "heavier" more Pantera cuz the double & triple sized ceramic magnet does that, but tweak your settings: A8 has just enough low end chunk , followed by more JBish growl. Hanmeman thinks he used a DD back in the day: your lead tobe will be less harsh, w more tone-

                          I love ceramics, but they are harsh, shrillnext to Alnico. Maybe u want A9, ...
                          ••••••••••••••••••••••
                          4 hb (80's rawk) comparison (PG8-DSD-Ant-JB)
                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CCULONDTzI
                          VAN HALEN gtr tone: 10 Cheats
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcaTtAFnpWE
                          Dunc Dist Demo
                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWbO7NvEpk0

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                          • #14
                            Re: Reviews for the Distortion and Invader

                            Originally posted by KBliss View Post
                            If you want more Slayer-y mids, try the A8. At first the DD & Invader will seem "heavier" more Pantera cuz the double & triple sized ceramic magnet does that, but tweak your settings: A8 has just enough low end chunk , followed by more JBish growl. Hanmeman thinks he used a DD back in the day: your lead tobe will be less harsh, w more tone-

                            I love ceramics, but they are harsh, shrillnext to Alnico. Maybe u want A9, ...
                            I read that too in an interview, but I've looked at photos during the Reign in blood album period and I see no DD anywhere
                            DARK ORDER - 'Cold war of the Condor', 'The Violence Continuum' & '5000 Years of Violence' available now.... www.darkorder.com.au

                            sigpic

                            "A true Metal-head displays from the heart alone, not by what image is portrayed. For many are around the well, but none are in the spring"

                            "War is the failure of the human spirit" - A.J.P. Taylor

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                            • #15
                              Re: Reviews for the Distortion and Invader

                              Originally posted by Dark Order Lord View Post
                              I read that too in an interview, but I've looked at photos during the Reign in blood album period and I see no DD anywhere
                              Slayer's Axemen Kerry King and the Late-great Jeff Hanneman both use EMG equipped axes. Hell, many would argue that those two guys put EMG on the map.
                              For a Slayer-y tone, you could just go with the setup they use-85 neck, 81 bridge. Or you could carve you own sound with Duncans or whatever brand you prefer.

                              BTW just am fyi guys, if you love the tone of the Invader but want more clarity and cut, I recommend the Bareknuckles Warpig. Unfortunately, I have yet to use it myself, but from what I have heard and from what I gather from the specs, Its effectivevly an Invader with A5 mags and hex poles (you can also get it with the traditional fillister screws, ala Dirty Fingers). "Brutality with Clarity" is a good way too describe it.

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