Why is there no underwound JB?

[Reee]

It's such a popular pickup yet many of us want just a little less output, why is there no 15k 43awg pickup out yet that has the JB EQ, chewiness and aggressiveness?

[JB6464]

15k or 16k that's still to hot .
SD needs to make a 12K JB and with the original roughcast magnet .

[Reee]

15k or 16k that's still to hot .
SD needs to make a 12K JB and with the original roughcast magnet .

I disagree, if you want a 12k JB there is the perpetual burn which is supposedly pretty close but at 12k it won't resemble a JB anymore. at 15k it would have just the right amount of output to still sing but not be as compressed like a JB, think a Custom 5 but with the EQ of a JB.

btw if a 12k JB is what you are after you could get a Distortion Neck and put an A5 in, since the Distortion Bridge is a JB with a ceramic i assume it would be similar with the neck.

[jeremy]

i dont think enough people would notice enough of a difference between a 16k and 15k jb to make it worth making another pup in the production line. if you want that, go custom shop. it will sound good and it will be a little less congested

[Reee]

i dont think enough people would notice enough of a difference between a 16k and 15k jb to make it worth making another pup in the production line. if you want that, go custom shop. it will sound good and it will be a little less congested

I think there is definitely a big crowd that would notice the differences, think about it, how many times have you read: "I like the JB, but it's too compressed" "I like the JB but it's too hot".

hell, do a google search "Duncan JB too hot" and you'll find basically 100 of threads from all kind of forums.

[jeremy]

the i like the jb but its too compressed crowd is a small percentage of people who use the jb which is a small percentage of the people who swap pups which is a small percentage of the people who buy guitars. i dont disagree that there are people who would want it, i just dont think there is enough demand to justify duncan selling a production 15k jb

[JB6464]

i dont think enough people would notice enough of a difference between a 16k and 15k jb to make it worth making another pup in the production line. if you want that, go custom shop. it will sound good and it will be a little less congested

Exactly !

[Reee]

it's also not only 16.6k to 15k, but also changing the wire from 44awg to 43awg

[JB6464]

I disagree, if you want a 12k JB there is the perpetual burn which is supposedly pretty close but at 12k it won't resemble a JB anymore. at 15k it would have just the right amount of output to still sing but not be as compressed like a JB, think a Custom 5 but with the EQ of a JB.

btw if a 12k JB is what you are after you could get a Distortion Neck and put an A5 in, since the Distortion Bridge is a JB with a ceramic i assume it would be similar with the neck.

The 59/Custom is 11.5 which is close to what the PB is to but neither sound like a JB with that barking mids no matter what the output is .
I was suggesting a 12K because it could kill to birds with one stone for those complaining it's to hot and compressed .
12K will rock any good tube amp setup and I am sure if SD wanted to they could wind it in that range with the exact JB barking tone .
But lets be clear , the PB or 59/Custom does not have that barking midrange of the JB .

[Reee]

The 59/Custom is 11.5 which is close to what the PB is to but neither sound like a JB with that barking mids no matter what the output is .
I was suggesting a 12K because it could kill to birds with one stone for those complaining it's to hot and compressed .
12K will rock any good tube amp setup and I am sure if SD wanted to they could wind it in that range with the exact JB barking tone .
But lets be clear , the PB or 59/Custom does not have that barking midrange of the JB .

they also don't have the aggression you get from a 14k+ A5 pickup, which is why I think a 15k 43awg JB would be perfect, just the right amounts of aggression and clarity.

[JB6464]

they also don't have the aggression you get from a 14k+ A5 pickup, which is why I think a 15k 43awg JB would be perfect, just the right amounts of aggression and clarity.

I still think a 14k-15k is to hot , which is one of the main complaints of the JB .
Has anyone tried a JB / Custom hybrid , one coil from a JB and one coil from a C5 ?
Now that would interesting .

[Reee]

I still think a 14k-15k is to hot , which is one of the main complaints of the JB .
Has anyone tried a JB / Custom hybrid , one coil from a JB and one coil from a C5 ?
Now that would interesting .

15k is just right for a bridge pickup if it's made correctly IMO, take a listen to the bridge pickup of this guitar, it was designed by the guy who made the Eric Johnson Fender Signature singlecoils, best bridge pickup I have ever heard, it's hot, at 15k 43awg A5, but it has INSANE clarity and sensitivity.

Unfortunately Fender is being a dick about their pickups and won't sell these separately from their guitars, I don't even have a chance of owning this guitar even if i could afford it because I'm a lefty so that really sucks.


Maybe a Custom/PB hybrid would be somewhat of a underwound JB-ish vibe, getting some mids from the PB coil and some more output from the custom coil.


JB/59 hybrids and Jazz/59 are used by ESP on some of their higher end guitars, not a fan of the JB/59 hybrid sound but the Jazz/59 sounds really good IMO, here is a clip of the jazz/59s

[vinta9e]

Why no underwound JB? Because it would not be a JB any more.

I reckon that a man of deeds would get a second hand JB and unwind the coils as he pleases, then reassemble, rather than open his mouth.

Sorry if you wind up offended for some reason.

[Reee]

Why no underwound JB? Because it would not be a JB any more.

I reckon that a man of deeds would get a second hand JB and unwind the coils as he pleases, then reassemble, rather than open his mouth.

Sorry if you wind up offended for some reason.

I have no experience with pickup winding and no budget to go through 10 pickups trying to make it work, and I would like it to be 43awg so it needs a new wind anyway; i'll leave this stuff to pickup makers and stick to playing the guitar, thanks.

[idsnowdog]

Why muddy the waters even further? An underwound JB sounds like a custom shop order.