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**beaubrummels** · 02-03-2022, 12:16 AM

That list was kind of debunked shortly after, if you read the thread.

Consider this. Think these are real numbers?

6Str Nazgul Brg, Amt, Soapbar 666
7Str Nazgul Brg, Amt, Soapbar 666
8Str Nazgul Brg, Amt, Soapbar 666
7Str Nazgul Brg, Pmt 666
8Str Nazgul Brg, Pmt 666

**LLL** · 02-03-2022, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by beaubrummels View Post

That list was kind of debunked shortly after, if you read the thread.

Consider this. Think these are real numbers?

6Str Nazgul Brg, Amt, Soapbar 666
7Str Nazgul Brg, Amt, Soapbar 666
8Str Nazgul Brg, Amt, Soapbar 666
7Str Nazgul Brg, Pmt 666
8Str Nazgul Brg, Pmt 666

Debunked by whom?

Perhaps for those particular pickups ("666 mV"), however, they are in the realm of possibility.

Even if those Nazgul ratings were a joke, how do you dismiss the rest of the huge list?

I highly doubt Scott Olson (SD's former Media Manager) would try to pull our legs; let alone waste all of his time coming up with a completely spoof list.

I own and have owned a handful of those pickups, and judging the audible output of each compared to the list mV rating, I'd say the list is true - evil demonic influences or not.

**LLL** · 02-03-2022, 12:57 AM

Ah here it is; found the original post:

Seymour Duncan mV Data - Seymour Duncan User Group Forums

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/forum/the-pickup-lounge/285455-seymour-duncan-mv-data#post4753658

All pickups. All the time.

**freefrog** · 02-03-2022, 01:43 AM

...a problem being that a same passive pickup might deliver a variable output in mV as soon as we change cable capacitance...

For instance, for a P.A.F. replica, my experimental data state a peak voltage of 440mV through a short 220pF cable, 460mV through a 20' / 950pF one and 550mV through 30' / 1400pF (!).

Pretty logical knowing how high capacitance brings the resonant peak (= maximum voltage) towards the mids while low capacitance drowns it among high harmonics. But to take in account IMHO.

Now, many measurements done here through a standard cable are close to those stated above. For example, my archives mention 721mV for a SH4, rated in the first post @ 737mV. :-)

**nexion218** · 02-03-2022, 03:02 AM

Isn't this the same list as the one in the third sticky thread in the Pickup Lounge channel?

Seymour Duncan Pickup Output Experiment - Seymour Duncan User Group Forums

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/forum/the-pickup-lounge/6008433-seymour-duncan-pickup-output-experiment

Several years ago, experiments were done to get mV output values from many pickups available at that time. I don't know if this list will help anyone, as the output numbers never stay constant, but it might be interesting if you are comparing one pickup next to another. Since it was originally posted on this forum by an SD

**Clint 55** · 02-03-2022, 03:07 AM

Those ratings are complete bs. You think an Invader neck with 3 double thick ceramics is cooler than a Pearly Gates neck with a single A2?

**freefrog** · 02-03-2022, 03:31 AM

Originally posted by Clint 55 View Post

Those ratings are complete bs. You think an Invader neck with 3 double thick ceramics is cooler than a Pearly Gates neck with a single A2?

I've no dog in the fight but for the record, an Invader neck is meant to include a series capacitor between coils. That kind of extra component can certainly affect the measured output voltage (although it also depends on how this voltage is measured). ;-)

**Mincer** · 02-03-2022, 08:21 AM

I do know that when this was done, they worked pretty hard on it, devising a system where 1 note was played at a consistent volume. Of course guitar isn't played like that, but some info is better than none of it.

**beaubrummels** · 02-03-2022, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by LLL View Post

I highly doubt Scott Olson (SD's former Media Manager) would try to pull our legs; let alone waste all of his time coming up with a completely spoof list.

I'd like to think that. I don't think it was a spoof list, but it has obvious inaccuracies. But keep in mind he was the Marketing guy, in charge of Facebook, not an engineer in the lab doing the evaluation. I'd rather hear this information from someone closer to the experiment.

**JamesPaul** · 02-03-2022, 12:43 PM

The Sticky does note a lot of what they did to try and keep the test environment consistent. But they were swapping out pickups in a guitar, so that would be challenging.

**LLL** · 02-03-2022, 01:26 PM

Yep, it was undoubtedly a metric ****-ton of work getting all of those readings.

And for that, I am appreciative of their tremendous effort here.

I don't look at it as 100% pure accuracy given the variables in such a task, but it's good enough and far more detailed than "TMB graph" or even "DC Output".

**Masta' C** · 02-03-2022, 04:35 PM

HERE is a proper, easy-to-read list, sorted by output, with all the non-essential models/info removed and the descriptions cleaned up. You're welcome

PA-STK1n Parallel Axis Stack	291
SH-18n Whole Lotta HB Neck	382
SH-3 Stag Mag	389
SH-55n Seth Lover Model Neck	399
SH-55b Seth Lover Model Bridge	399
SH-18b Whole Lotta HB Bridge	440
APH-1n Alnico II Pro Neck	452
APH-2n Slash Alnico II Pro Neck	475
SH-8SGn Synyster Gates Neck	491
SH-8n Invader Neck	491
Sentient	499
APH-1b Alnico II Pro Bridge	499
SH-12 Screamin' Demon	500
SH-2n Jazz Model Neck	501
SH-PG1n Pearly Gates Neck	513
PA-TB1n Original Parallel Axis Neck	515
APH-2b Slash Alnico II Pro Bridge	524
LW-CH2n LiveWire II Classic Neck	534
SH-PG1b Pearly Gates Bridge	543
Pegasus	555
SH-2b Jazz Model Bridge	571
SH-11 Custom Custom	574
Perpetual Burn Bridge	582
SH-1b '59 Model Bridge	593
SH-16 '59/Custom Hybrid	625
SH-14 Custom 5	646
Nazgul	666
PA-TB3b Blues Saraceno	694
SH-10n Full Shred Neck	709
SH-10b Full Shred Bridge	724
SH-6n Duncan Distortion Neck	732
SH-4 JB Model	737
PA-TB2b Distortion Parallel Axis	741
Black Winter Neck	744
PA-TB1b Original Parallel Axis Bridge	749
SH-15 Alternative 8	761
Black Winter Bridge	763
SH-5 Duncan Custom	784
SH-6b Duncan Distortion Bridge	792
SH-8SGb Synyster Gates Bridge	813
SH-8b Invader Bridge	813
LW-CH2b LiveWire II Classic Bridge	936
AHB-3n EMTY Blackouts Neck	1079
LW-Must LiveWire Dave Mustaine Neck	1080
SH-13 Dimebucker	1160
AHB-1n Blackouts Neck	1283
LW-Must LiveWire Dave Mustaine Bridge	1368
AHB-3b EMTY Blackouts Bridge	1419
AHB-1b Blackouts Bridge	1598
AHB-11n Gus G Fire Blackouts Neck	1725
AHB-11b Gus G Fire Backouts Bridge	1784
AHB-10n Blackouts Coil Pack Neck	1829
AHB-10b Blackouts Coil Pack Bridge	1870
AHB-2b Blackouts Metal	3648

**Masta' C** · 02-03-2022, 04:38 PM

Mincer , consider adding that to the stickied thread?

**ErikH** · 02-03-2022, 04:57 PM

Nice! Excellent work.

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