000 sized acoustics...mahogany or rosewood?
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ZoSo0789
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Re: 000 sized acoustics...mahogany or rosewood?
Mahogany sounds snappier in the upper mids and IMO has kind of a 'hole' in the frequency spectrum in the lows somewhere....
Rosewood sounds nicely balanced, sweet, and has a very percussive bass response...
I obviously prefer rosewood
Mahogany sounds snappier in the upper mids and IMO has kind of a 'hole' in the frequency spectrum in the lows somewhere....
Rosewood sounds nicely balanced, sweet, and has a very percussive bass response...
I obviously prefer rosewood
beandip
Frito's Better Half
Re: 000 sized acoustics...mahogany or rosewood?
With a 000/OM sized acoustic (same body style) I prefer mahogany. It's very full in the mids, and that body style lends itself to a very mellow fingerstyle type of playing. If you plan on using it for heavy strumming/picking, I prefer rosewood. It has a slightly scooped sound, but really shines on the highs, allowing for a very clear sound.
But of course, bracing and top choices have a heavier influance than back/side material.
With a 000/OM sized acoustic (same body style) I prefer mahogany. It's very full in the mids, and that body style lends itself to a very mellow fingerstyle type of playing. If you plan on using it for heavy strumming/picking, I prefer rosewood. It has a slightly scooped sound, but really shines on the highs, allowing for a very clear sound.
But of course, bracing and top choices have a heavier influance than back/side material.
scottish
WeirdScienceologist
Re: 000 sized acoustics...mahogany or rosewood?
i was referring to those silver creek 000. I need a new acoustic and im thinking it might be worthwhile to pick one up from MF since i can just send it back if it sux. Ive seen a bunch of good reviews for the mahogany one but not many, good or bad, for the rosewood one.
i had a rosewood 000 blueridge BR-183 which was a really nicely made guitar but it was lacking in volume projection. I know the 000 arent going to be as loud as dreadnoughts but this one was just a little too quiet.
i was referring to those silver creek 000. I need a new acoustic and im thinking it might be worthwhile to pick one up from MF since i can just send it back if it sux. Ive seen a bunch of good reviews for the mahogany one but not many, good or bad, for the rosewood one.
i had a rosewood 000 blueridge BR-183 which was a really nicely made guitar but it was lacking in volume projection. I know the 000 arent going to be as loud as dreadnoughts but this one was just a little too quiet.
beandip
Frito's Better Half
Re: 000 sized acoustics...mahogany or rosewood?
I'd check out the Recording Kings if they're in your budget. I've yet to hear one bad thing about them, other than it sounding a little too "new" for the first couple of weeks. Right now it's a little too early to tell how they'll hang quality wise, but the initial impression has been nothing but positive. If I had the cash, I'd certainly have me a RK D-18 style right now.
I'd check out the Recording Kings if they're in your budget. I've yet to hear one bad thing about them, other than it sounding a little too "new" for the first couple of weeks. Right now it's a little too early to tell how they'll hang quality wise, but the initial impression has been nothing but positive. If I had the cash, I'd certainly have me a RK D-18 style right now.
guitfiddle
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Re: 000 sized acoustics...mahogany or rosewood?
I'd get a rosewood for sitting by myself and playing/singing but in a band, the mahogany will cut through just a bit better.
I'd get a rosewood for sitting by myself and playing/singing but in a band, the mahogany will cut through just a bit better.
Bludave
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Re: 000 sized acoustics...mahogany or rosewood?
Rosewood.. Mahogany in this sized guitar can be a little bright or stiff. The depth of a Dreadnought will balance Mahogany a lot better. Keep in mind there are some very nice Mahogany small bodies, but by comparison I think RW in this size has a better overall sound. That said I am having an OM sized guitar made out of Mahogany. The Luthier who is building it & I have had many detailed discussions on how to keep the balance without losing its appeal (RW can be nice and punchy). He is going to "voice" the tops braces, use a tight German Spruce for the top & a Rosewood bridge plate as well as a Rosewood bridge & fingerboard. These size guitars are my personal favorite(OM & 000).
Rosewood.. Mahogany in this sized guitar can be a little bright or stiff. The depth of a Dreadnought will balance Mahogany a lot better. Keep in mind there are some very nice Mahogany small bodies, but by comparison I think RW in this size has a better overall sound. That said I am having an OM sized guitar made out of Mahogany. The Luthier who is building it & I have had many detailed discussions on how to keep the balance without losing its appeal (RW can be nice and punchy). He is going to "voice" the tops braces, use a tight German Spruce for the top & a Rosewood bridge plate as well as a Rosewood bridge & fingerboard. These size guitars are my personal favorite(OM & 000).
Evan Skopp
SDUGF Founder
Re: 000 sized acoustics...mahogany or rosewood?
I'm a fan of that body size. I have a Dana Bourgeois OM with flamed koa back and sides. And I just purchased a Martin OOO-15. These are nice guitars, simply appointed, with a balanced bright tone. Notice that the top is also mahogany. Traditionally, the 15 series has been one of Martin's least expensive "all solid wood" guitars.
I'm a fan of that body size. I have a Dana Bourgeois OM with flamed koa back and sides. And I just purchased a Martin OOO-15. These are nice guitars, simply appointed, with a balanced bright tone. Notice that the top is also mahogany. Traditionally, the 15 series has been one of Martin's least expensive "all solid wood" guitars.
beandip
Frito's Better Half
Re: 000 sized acoustics...mahogany or rosewood?
Ahh, I forgot that MF doesn't carry RK. You know what, I say go for it. If you don't like the Hog, you can send it back for rosewood (plus the difference). Be sure to pay very close attention to the tone, and not so much the action or playability. That can all be adjusted at a later date, and I'm not sure if it will void MF's return policy.
Ahh, I forgot that MF doesn't carry RK. You know what, I say go for it. If you don't like the Hog, you can send it back for rosewood (plus the difference). Be sure to pay very close attention to the tone, and not so much the action or playability. That can all be adjusted at a later date, and I'm not sure if it will void MF's return policy.
beandip
Frito's Better Half
Re: 000 sized acoustics...mahogany or rosewood?
Thought these might be of some interest to you:
http://theunofficialmartinguitarforum.yuku.com/topic/84738/t/Silver-Creek-T-170-Neck-Profile.html
http://theunofficialmartinguitarfor...ression-NOW-soundclip-added.html#reply-933024
http://theunofficialmartinguitarforum.yuku.com/topic/85914/t/Ragpickin.html
http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162200&highlight=silver+creek
http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162283&highlight=silver+creek
http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161154&highlight=silver+creek
http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153866&highlight=silver+creek
http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156326&highlight=silver+creek
http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155723&highlight=silver+creek
http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150526&highlight=silver+creek
http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148101&highlight=silver+creek
To be honest, I didn't read through the threads, I just did a quick search on Silver Creek. On the UMGF they get a little rough, but on the AGF everyone seems to praise them. Apparently they're made in the same factory as RK's, just a lower price point is to be met.
Thought these might be of some interest to you:
http://theunofficialmartinguitarforum.yuku.com/topic/84738/t/Silver-Creek-T-170-Neck-Profile.html
http://theunofficialmartinguitarfor...ression-NOW-soundclip-added.html#reply-933024
http://theunofficialmartinguitarforum.yuku.com/topic/85914/t/Ragpickin.html
http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162200&highlight=silver+creek
http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162283&highlight=silver+creek
http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161154&highlight=silver+creek
http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153866&highlight=silver+creek
http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156326&highlight=silver+creek
http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155723&highlight=silver+creek
http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150526&highlight=silver+creek
http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148101&highlight=silver+creek
To be honest, I didn't read through the threads, I just did a quick search on Silver Creek. On the UMGF they get a little rough, but on the AGF everyone seems to praise them. Apparently they're made in the same factory as RK's, just a lower price point is to be met.
scottish
WeirdScienceologist
Re: 000 sized acoustics...mahogany or rosewood?
I love 000s and your post made me extremely jealous robert!
I'm a fan of that body size. I have a Dana Bourgeois OM with flamed koa back and sides. And I just purchased a Martin OOO-15. These are nice guitars, simply appointed, with a balanced bright tone. Notice that the top is also mahogany. Traditionally, the 15 series has been one of Martin's least expensive "all solid wood" guitars.
I love 000s and your post made me extremely jealous robert!
beandip
Frito's Better Half
Re: 000 sized acoustics...mahogany or rosewood?
http://www.davidtrabue.com/SILVRCRK.mp3
This just put my mind at ease about Silver Creek guitars...now I'm gassin'.
http://www.davidtrabue.com/SILVRCRK.mp3
This just put my mind at ease about Silver Creek guitars...now I'm gassin'.
Re: 000 sized acoustics...mahogany or rosewood?
just my 2 cents on the rosewood or mahogany issue...
I don't like rosewood...it's too bright and too lush in my opinion for moderate strumming...i'm not talking about the weight of my hand, i'm talking about the speed with which i strum ....for fingerpicking and picked leads, it's ideal
mahogany, IMHO, is much better for strumming...that is, depending on the top of the guitar... if it's all mahogany like the 15 series martins, the answer is 'no'.... i can't take the overtones...however, a mahogany with spruce is a different story... in my opinion, the spruce softens the overtones .... the Gibson J-45 mahogany or Guild D-40 is an example of this....but they tend to have flat projection... theoretically, i think this is why Richie Havens might have played the way he did.... the Taylor 310 series with the sapele back and sides is a comfortable medium, which is what i'm using right now
Having said all that.... i LOVE maple for acoustics... it's gotta be a jumbo, though... I owned a J-180 and regret getting rid of it... it was only because the neck was a bit too fat for my small fingers... i have my eye on a Taylor GS6, however...and would scoop a 615 up if the price was right
....my 2 cents... =-)
just my 2 cents on the rosewood or mahogany issue...
I don't like rosewood...it's too bright and too lush in my opinion for moderate strumming...i'm not talking about the weight of my hand, i'm talking about the speed with which i strum ....for fingerpicking and picked leads, it's ideal
mahogany, IMHO, is much better for strumming...that is, depending on the top of the guitar... if it's all mahogany like the 15 series martins, the answer is 'no'.... i can't take the overtones...however, a mahogany with spruce is a different story... in my opinion, the spruce softens the overtones .... the Gibson J-45 mahogany or Guild D-40 is an example of this....but they tend to have flat projection... theoretically, i think this is why Richie Havens might have played the way he did.... the Taylor 310 series with the sapele back and sides is a comfortable medium, which is what i'm using right now
Having said all that.... i LOVE maple for acoustics... it's gotta be a jumbo, though... I owned a J-180 and regret getting rid of it... it was only because the neck was a bit too fat for my small fingers... i have my eye on a Taylor GS6, however...and would scoop a 615 up if the price was right
....my 2 cents... =-)
