So, what's THE BEST current production 12AX7 out there? Out of all the ones I've tried, the Sovtek 12AX7LPS sounds the best to me. I love the EH 12AX7, but it fuzzes out when I crank the preamp. :yell: JJ's are great, but they are a bit dark and they can smooth things out a bit too much. Has anyone tried that new GT Mullard copy?
12AX7 Shootout!
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Gearjoneser
Gear Ho
Re: 12AX7 Shootout!
MRID, your opinion pretty much mirrors mine on 12AX7's.
I have a drawer of every 12AX7 I raided from "seller" amps.
I've done my own shootout of 12AX7's, when I was truly bored.
My favorite's for highgain are Sovtek LPS, EI Gold Elite, EI, Telefunken,
GT Chinese, and JJ's for that smoothed out gain.
For clean amps, I like Tesla JJ's, GE, Sylvania, GT blackplate copies,
and other ones that are in my highgain list, as well.
The pre's I don't like are most cheap Chinese tubes, Sovtek A's, Ruby tubes,
These are what the amp companies usually use, cause they're less than $4 each.
I love Svetlana power tubes, but have been told that their pre's aren't as
desireable. One of these days, I'll try them, so I know for sure.
MRID, your opinion pretty much mirrors mine on 12AX7's.
I have a drawer of every 12AX7 I raided from "seller" amps.
I've done my own shootout of 12AX7's, when I was truly bored.
My favorite's for highgain are Sovtek LPS, EI Gold Elite, EI, Telefunken,
GT Chinese, and JJ's for that smoothed out gain.
For clean amps, I like Tesla JJ's, GE, Sylvania, GT blackplate copies,
and other ones that are in my highgain list, as well.
The pre's I don't like are most cheap Chinese tubes, Sovtek A's, Ruby tubes,
These are what the amp companies usually use, cause they're less than $4 each.
I love Svetlana power tubes, but have been told that their pre's aren't as
desireable. One of these days, I'll try them, so I know for sure.
Gearjoneser
Gear Ho
Re: 12AX7 Shootout!
I'd imagine your new Tonemaster is a perfect amp for testing tubes.
The clean is very open and will show differences in tone. The OD channel is the same way. The Tonemaster has a pretty hard sounding OD, so I'd imagine trying to get it as smooth as possible would be the goal. You should try a Holier Grail or Nanoverb
through the FX loop to give it some air. I'm using a Holy Grail on my Ecstasy, but only because it has a mixable FX loop that allows me to let just a certain amount of verb in.
Since your FX loop isn't adjustable, I'd get a reverb unit that has it's own mix control.
Then, your clean channel will have the verb like a Vibroking.
I'd imagine your new Tonemaster is a perfect amp for testing tubes.
The clean is very open and will show differences in tone. The OD channel is the same way. The Tonemaster has a pretty hard sounding OD, so I'd imagine trying to get it as smooth as possible would be the goal. You should try a Holier Grail or Nanoverb
through the FX loop to give it some air. I'm using a Holy Grail on my Ecstasy, but only because it has a mixable FX loop that allows me to let just a certain amount of verb in.
Since your FX loop isn't adjustable, I'd get a reverb unit that has it's own mix control.
Then, your clean channel will have the verb like a Vibroking.
Gearjoneser
Gear Ho
Re: 12AX7 Shootout!
EI's are great toned pre tubes that are a bit gainy.
They don't sound that good in my Matchless, but sound great in my Jubilee.
To me the one's that sound fizzy are the Sovtek 12AX7A's, but it's hard to say, because different pre tubes react different in different amps.
The best thing to do is start a collection of all the best pre tubes, then anytime you have a new amp, start swapping the first pos. tube.
When you find a winner, order a set of 3, and you're done!
I just put a Sovtek LPS in an amp that isn't technically a tube amp,
my Vox Valvetronix head. Essentially, the tone of that tube gets fed to
the solid state power section. It's hard to tell, but I think that amp does sound a little better now. It came with a Sovtek WA I think.
mrid said:
EI's are great toned pre tubes that are a bit gainy.
They don't sound that good in my Matchless, but sound great in my Jubilee.
To me the one's that sound fizzy are the Sovtek 12AX7A's, but it's hard to say, because different pre tubes react different in different amps.
The best thing to do is start a collection of all the best pre tubes, then anytime you have a new amp, start swapping the first pos. tube.
When you find a winner, order a set of 3, and you're done!
I just put a Sovtek LPS in an amp that isn't technically a tube amp,
my Vox Valvetronix head. Essentially, the tone of that tube gets fed to
the solid state power section. It's hard to tell, but I think that amp does sound a little better now. It came with a Sovtek WA I think.
Re: 12AX7 Shootout!
If i may add my two cents......We spend thousands on guitars and amps and pedals. Why not spend a wee bit more for NOS? In fact you can get used for almost the same as new production. I just got three used mullard 12ax7s( headed right for my marshall combo) for 41 bucks off ebay. They test good and will last years. The groove tubes "mullard copy" yeah right, is 20 plus bucks itself. But if you need new, look for someone who checks out the Eis first, try lord valve. they tend to be microphonic. :dance:
If i may add my two cents......We spend thousands on guitars and amps and pedals. Why not spend a wee bit more for NOS? In fact you can get used for almost the same as new production. I just got three used mullard 12ax7s( headed right for my marshall combo) for 41 bucks off ebay. They test good and will last years. The groove tubes "mullard copy" yeah right, is 20 plus bucks itself. But if you need new, look for someone who checks out the Eis first, try lord valve. they tend to be microphonic. :dance:
JfromHouston
New member
Re: 12AX7 Shootout!
I have had both JJ and EH pre's in my DSL and 5150. I ended up using the EH in my DSL because the JJs sounded to dark in the DSL. The JJs in the 5150 worked out great because the Sheffield speakers are so bright that it tamed them down a bit.
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I have had both JJ and EH pre's in my DSL and 5150. I ended up using the EH in my DSL because the JJs sounded to dark in the DSL. The JJs in the 5150 worked out great because the Sheffield speakers are so bright that it tamed them down a bit.
.02
Re: 12AX7 Shootout!
Yes, the EH's sound great in my Marshall...I guess it really depends on the preamp design.
shred-dog: I'd give the JJ's a try in a bright/fuzzy amp like the JCM 900. If they're too dark, put an EH 12AX7 in V1.
JfromHouston: Have you tried mixing EH's and JJ's? That's one thing I regret trying before I sold my DSL. With the EH in V1, the amp should brighten up, but the JJ's in the other positions should smooth out the preamp.
lastwinj said:
Yes, the EH's sound great in my Marshall...I guess it really depends on the preamp design.
shred-dog: I'd give the JJ's a try in a bright/fuzzy amp like the JCM 900. If they're too dark, put an EH 12AX7 in V1.
JfromHouston: Have you tried mixing EH's and JJ's? That's one thing I regret trying before I sold my DSL. With the EH in V1, the amp should brighten up, but the JJ's in the other positions should smooth out the preamp.
JfromHouston
New member
Re: 12AX7 Shootout!
Actually that was the first thing I did when I got the EHs in. Yes it worked well. Some of it my have had to do with the Eminence speakers I was running with the DSL as well though. I was selling the 5150 and the JJs were older so I just loaded them all in the 5150 before I sold it. Figured keep the newest tubes (that sounded best anyways) in the Marhsall.
J
mrid said:
Actually that was the first thing I did when I got the EHs in. Yes it worked well. Some of it my have had to do with the Eminence speakers I was running with the DSL as well though. I was selling the 5150 and the JJs were older so I just loaded them all in the 5150 before I sold it. Figured keep the newest tubes (that sounded best anyways) in the Marhsall.
J
dystrust
Well-known member
Re: 12AX7 Shootout!
I agree with Stevo.
In my Jubilee 2555 I love the way EH 12AX7s sound, but exactly the same tubes really didn't do it for me in a '73 Super Lead 100. They still sounded good, but I had to very carefully balance the volumes (bridged) to avoid buzzy distortion.
I agree with Stevo.
In my Jubilee 2555 I love the way EH 12AX7s sound, but exactly the same tubes really didn't do it for me in a '73 Super Lead 100. They still sounded good, but I had to very carefully balance the volumes (bridged) to avoid buzzy distortion.
Re: 12AX7 Shootout!
I, for one, am looking forward to trying out teh new GT Mullard Copies. Made in the US is one of the reasons for the 20 buck price tag. If they are really good, I'll be using them quite a bit. I've never been a huge fan of Groove Tubes until they released their own 6L6 GE. That's a nice tube. If the mullard copy ax7 is anywhere near as good as the 6L6, we're good.
I'd like to see them succeed if the tube is good. The more they move from relableing to actual production, the better off we will all be in the long run.
I, for one, am looking forward to trying out teh new GT Mullard Copies. Made in the US is one of the reasons for the 20 buck price tag. If they are really good, I'll be using them quite a bit. I've never been a huge fan of Groove Tubes until they released their own 6L6 GE. That's a nice tube. If the mullard copy ax7 is anywhere near as good as the 6L6, we're good.
I'd like to see them succeed if the tube is good. The more they move from relableing to actual production, the better off we will all be in the long run.
simonbarsinister
New member
Re: 12AX7 Shootout!
Actually they are made in CHina on equipment sent over there by Groove Tubes:
SBS
Scott_F said:
Actually they are made in CHina on equipment sent over there by Groove Tubes:
SBS
Wattage
High Voltologist
Re: 12AX7 Shootout!
The EH 12AX7 is the same as the Sovtek LPS if I remember correctly. I have the EH in the XXX, I am going to pop a JJ in V1 to see what it does for me. Right now I have JJ's in my Orange and it is a bit darker but it is much fuller than the stock Chinese tubes labeled Great Dragon. I had some EH in there as well and they sounded better than the GD's as well.
I sent the EH off to JMV to pop in his new amp but I did a quick A/B between those and the JJ's and I prefered the JJ's. THe EH had a nice bright top end and decent grind, I would use them again.
The EH 12AX7 is the same as the Sovtek LPS if I remember correctly. I have the EH in the XXX, I am going to pop a JJ in V1 to see what it does for me. Right now I have JJ's in my Orange and it is a bit darker but it is much fuller than the stock Chinese tubes labeled Great Dragon. I had some EH in there as well and they sounded better than the GD's as well.
I sent the EH off to JMV to pop in his new amp but I did a quick A/B between those and the JJ's and I prefered the JJ's. THe EH had a nice bright top end and decent grind, I would use them again.
I'll certainly let you know of my results......... thanks again, wattage!
