18W Tweed Champ
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Powdered Toast Man
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Re: 18W Tweed Champ
Sounds like the 1980's Super Champ to me.
Sounds like the 1980's Super Champ to me.
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Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: 18W Tweed Champ
That's not a design, it's just a description.
That amp will never sound like a Champ either...the key to the Champ sound is the fact that it is true, single ended class A...2 6V6's pushed hard enough to get 18 watts ain't gonna give you that sound.
It might very well be a cool amp but it won't be a Champ.
That's not a design, it's just a description.
That amp will never sound like a Champ either...the key to the Champ sound is the fact that it is true, single ended class A...2 6V6's pushed hard enough to get 18 watts ain't gonna give you that sound.
It might very well be a cool amp but it won't be a Champ.
hermetico
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It's not a matter of watts, it's a matter of amp's architecture.
Pure class A sounds different of class A/B, among many other variables.
It's not a matter of watts, it's a matter of amp's architecture.
Pure class A sounds different of class A/B, among many other variables.
Re: 18W Tweed Champ
champs were/are single ended so 3~6w and class a by necessity. single ended cant be a/b cause if your one power tube goes into cutoff you get no sound
even running two 6v6 in parallel single ended will only give you ~10w the only way youll get 18w from a pair of 6v6gt's is running it pretty hot in class a/b push pull which will not sound anything like a champ.
the amp you are talking about could be very cool but will sound nothing like a champ since its a totally different amp. a champ has one preamp tube that feeds one power tube.
champs were/are single ended so 3~6w and class a by necessity. single ended cant be a/b cause if your one power tube goes into cutoff you get no sound
even running two 6v6 in parallel single ended will only give you ~10w the only way youll get 18w from a pair of 6v6gt's is running it pretty hot in class a/b push pull which will not sound anything like a champ.
the amp you are talking about could be very cool but will sound nothing like a champ since its a totally different amp. a champ has one preamp tube that feeds one power tube.
Re: 18W Tweed Champ
Yeah, and if it is a P-P Amp.....
I think Leo beat you to it with the 5E3 a few years back.
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champs were/are single ended so 3~6w and class a by necessity. single ended cant be a/b cause if your one power tube goes into cutoff you get no sound
even running two 6v6 in parallel single ended will only give you ~10w the only way youll get 18w from a pair of 6v6gt's is running it pretty hot in class a/b push pull which will not sound anything like a champ.
the amp you are talking about could be very cool but will sound nothing like a champ since its a totally different amp. a champ has one preamp tube that feeds one power tube.
Yeah, and if it is a P-P Amp.....
I think Leo beat you to it with the 5E3 a few years back.
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Lewguitar
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Re: 18W Tweed Champ
Yes. What's being described by the OP is closer to being a tweed Deluxe with 4 speakers than it is a tweed Champ.
And I don't care for the tone the 5751 tube.
Yes. What's being described by the OP is closer to being a tweed Deluxe with 4 speakers than it is a tweed Champ.
And I don't care for the tone the 5751 tube.
Edgecrusher
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I think you all are getting a bit too excited about this the OP has a history of pulling out specs and descriptions out of the thin air the posting them. Previously he wanted a 450 watt bass amp with a half tube half solid state power section with mixable preamps and compressors. Hes just dreaming out loud on the forums he isnt really serious of even interested in the realities of it.
I think you all are getting a bit too excited about this the OP has a history of pulling out specs and descriptions out of the thin air the posting them. Previously he wanted a 450 watt bass amp with a half tube half solid state power section with mixable preamps and compressors. Hes just dreaming out loud on the forums he isnt really serious of even interested in the realities of it.
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Jay 77
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Once again....
I love lamp.
Once again....
I love lamp.
Lewguitar
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Of course. I just respond for the sake of sharing of my thoughts with people who sometimes find my thoughts useful.
Of course. I just respond for the sake of sharing of my thoughts with people who sometimes find my thoughts useful.
Re: 18W Tweed Champ
The champ is a single ended amp so it would take three 6V6s for 18W. A special power transformer to handle the load and a special output transformer to get the correct impedance. Then, we’re talking about a custom chassis and a custom cabinet for the four 8” speakers. I’ll guestimate about $3000 to build.
The champ is a single ended amp so it would take three 6V6s for 18W. A special power transformer to handle the load and a special output transformer to get the correct impedance. Then, we’re talking about a custom chassis and a custom cabinet for the four 8” speakers. I’ll guestimate about $3000 to build.
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SirJackdeFuzz
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Sounds like it would be a great (((stereo))) partner for an EVIL ROBOT !!!
Sounds like it would be a great (((stereo))) partner for an EVIL ROBOT !!!
Re: 18W Tweed Champ
So instead of the 18 Watt Champ; what about a Fender low watt Twin with 2 Jensen P12N speakers, Volume, Power & Standby switch, Bass & Treble Tone Control, Low/High input, Fixed bias/cathode bias Real Panel Switch, Green amp jewel, Tweed cover, and Fender Style Old Brown Grill Cloth with the Low input: 5751 and 12AX7 tubes and the High input: 2 12ax7 tubes?
Tubes: 2 6V6, 2 12AX7, and 1 5751, 1 5U4.
So instead of the 18 Watt Champ; what about a Fender low watt Twin with 2 Jensen P12N speakers, Volume, Power & Standby switch, Bass & Treble Tone Control, Low/High input, Fixed bias/cathode bias Real Panel Switch, Green amp jewel, Tweed cover, and Fender Style Old Brown Grill Cloth with the Low input: 5751 and 12AX7 tubes and the High input: 2 12ax7 tubes?
Tubes: 2 6V6, 2 12AX7, and 1 5751, 1 5U4.
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Powdered Toast Man
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Re: 18W Tweed Champ
what do you think of a Fender Low Power Tweed Twin with 2 Jensen P12N No Bell speakers,, Green amp jewel, Tweed cover, and Fender Style Old Brown Grill Cloth,JJ 5751, 5881, & 5U4 tubes? Do you prefer 5751, 12ay7, or 12ax7 in your tweed twin?
what do you think of a Fender Low Power Tweed Twin with 2 Jensen P12N No Bell speakers,, Green amp jewel, Tweed cover, and Fender Style Old Brown Grill Cloth,JJ 5751, 5881, & 5U4 tubes? Do you prefer 5751, 12ay7, or 12ax7 in your tweed twin?
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