1958 Les Paul Standard Reissue VOS

Re: 1958 Les Paul Standard Reissue VOS

You seem to be in love with old Les Pauls. Now for the hard part: Tell me WHY!

I could care less. Played a crapton of Les Pauls in my life. There is really no rhyme or reason to the ones I love. 70-'s maple are my preferred necks, followed by the baseball bats. Whatever on the year. They make thick necks all over the decades.

Which guitar will I LOVE for my whole life? I quote Jeff H. " It has to pass the Booby test; If it feels like the first boobies you ever touched, that is the guitar. " Gotta play a lot - and say no to a lot to find her. And the year 1958 has nothing to do with what feels like that for me. It could be any Les Paul.

And of course - are you playing this or is it a case queen? I could care less about collecting. It will get dropped like all the rest. And I could care even less about investments or value holding. Kudo's to Bill for letting them ponies run!

But again - that's me. I want to here WHY you need that particular Les Paul. Like I said - being old makes old. After the basic Les Paul sound, I'll hit the electronics any old way I please to make her sound sweet to me.

I wouldn't say that I'm in love with OLD Les Pauls at all. I just wish I'd had the foresight to buy the vintage LP I saw hanging on the wall of a Seattle pawn shop with a $150 tag on it--this was back in 1966; I was 16 at the time. Obviously, a vintage LP is way out of my price range these days.

But most players will tell you that the older, original Pauls were the best, and they are regarded as the Holy Grail today (and have been for quite some time.) Back in the '70s, players like Billy G., Charlie Daniels, Joe Walsh, J. Page et.al., were already touting the old guitars over the new as being better made and better sounding. But vintage guitar owners and collectors will tell you--even some of those vaunted vintage '59s are dogs.

I owned a 1975 LP Special, a Norlin guitar. Had some neck problems (back bow) but it was a fine guitar. I have played others from that era that I liked, but as a rule they are not my favorites. Personally I do not like the maple necked guitars, the ones with the pancake bodies, and I wouldn't buy any of the 11-12 lbs. boat anchors of the era. Some guys like them as they can be sustain machines; I prefer the lighter, woodier, more resonant models. But like any guitar, sometimes you pick up one and it just has the "magic" in it.

I am of the opinion that the Gibson Custom Shop is building some of the best guitars they've ever built. I don't care for some of the features currently offered on the 2015 Gibson USA models, but what I have seen from the Custom Shop over the last few years is pretty darn good. And in fits and spurts, they been continually improving since the early 1990's, getting closer and closer to the design and quality of the vintage pieces. I've fallen in love with a couple of guitars from 2013-14 that REALLY have that magic. It's not just the GAS that's bad, but I'm actually SCHEMING--taking the GAS to a higher level, LOL. I can honestly say that I'd rather have a newer Historic than one of the 1975-90 Pauls.

But that's a generalization. It's all about finding the guitar with the magic. Your magic may be different than mine, and that's okay.



The one in the OP is priced as a flame top. But not only is that the lamest figuring this side of westford, it has an ugly black streak. Somehow they forget to take that into the price.

I can support wanting a historic but the new prices are a bit out of whack. Especially this particular one.

Actually, I think these guitars are custom runs. Guitar Center has been recently selling a plain-top R0 that is a Custom Shop special run, but they usually have a nice, though modest figure to them. The street price on VOS R9 and R0 models with figured tops is about $6500-7000. So in a sense, these ARE budget models, LOL!

And as far as the mineral streaks, you really should take a look at Iwanade's book on Les Pauls, "The Beauty Of The Burst". Many of the vintage Les Pauls in this book have mineral streaks in their tops, and many players find these streaks attractive and "natural", feeling that the streaks add character. I think if I were looking at a Paul with streaks, that would be a consideration, but certainly not a deal breaker. There are other more important criteria, at least for me.




If you have the cash I highly support getting a historic. Just the ABR bridge brings it closer to where it should be and many of them are just good. And I don't perceive the neck width as a problem, playing wise, not to mention it might contribute to sound. And heavy tuners are the devil. Sometimes.

Reselling one that you pay new price for will be brutal, though.

And don't buy one with streaks. Resell is even worse. Unless you know you'll keep forever.

I definitely prefer the tone of the ABR-1 bridge over the Nashville bridge, and I like the vintage look. My 1960 Classics have the ABR-1 bridge and one of the reasons I don't like the newer versions is because of the change to the Nashville bridge. But ABR-1s sometimes have problems that the Nashville doesn't have.

On the issue of resale, I can tell you that I bought my 2005 R8 new for $1500, and I'm seeing comparable R8s going for $3500 and up. My Guitar Center G0 models have appreciated by about $1000 over what I paid for them. So buying new isn't necessarily a bad thing. These guitars are very desirable, and with Gibson continuing to raise their prices, it drives up the price of the used guitars. So if the OP is going to keep it for a while, he should be okay. If buying new, sight unseen, it's best to buy from somebody that has a good return policy.

The issue with the Historic Les Pauls is not one of neck width, but of profile and depth. The R4, R6, R7, and R8 will typically have the largest necks, though sometimes you'll find a custom run Goldtop with a R0 neck. And the necks are hand finished, so there is quite a lot of variation to them. The R9 has a smaller neck, still round; and there are actually at least three versions of the R0 neck--going from the '59 profile to the Slim-Taper wide-flat necks, and again with variations. One store did a custom run replicating a 1955 LP that had a bit of V-neck, and those sold out very quickly. So they are all over the place.

Some folks feel that the size of the neck affects tone. The heavier neck and the long tenon neck joint of the Historic models seem to make for very resonant guitars. My Historics all have much greater resonance in the neck than my other LPs. Strum and open chord, put your hand on the headstock and feel the vibration. I want the one that vibrates like crazy. This is also something that I look for in an acoustic guitar as well; in fact it is one of my top criteria in any guitar.



I just want a Les Paul. I really don't care what year or whatever, it just has to feel and sound great to me as well as look nice. I'll definitely be playing it, I don't do the case queen thing and I don't sell my guitars. I still have every guitar that I ever bought, which is five plus an acoustic and a bass.

I'm just keeping my options wide open. I recently tried a 2015 Traditional and liked it but I'd rather not have the G Force. So if there are "better" Les Pauls out there, I'm going to find one.

I'm not a big fan of the G-Force either, and like you, I tend not to sell my guitars. However, I think it is appropriate to look at resale value--it is always wise to consider "buying low and selling high".

I see that you've been looking at a couple of different models. One of the things you need to settle on though, is neck size. You really need to figure out if you like the Gibson Slim Taper neck, or if you prefer the more rounded '59 profile, or if you like the "baseball bat" necks of the '54-'58 Reissues. Some people have really strong preferences. I lean to the Slim Taper, but I have a couple of the fat neck Historics and I seem to be able to get around on them.

I think in this case, where you might be buying a really expensive guitar that you haven't had a chance to play (especially when there is a lot of variation from guitar to guitar) you're going to have to accept that you might wind up with a guitar you dislike, and for whatever reason you'll want to return or resell it. I realize it can be hard to do, trust me. I've done it--it feels like I didn't do my homework; that somehow I failed when I bought something that didn't meet my needs. I've got a great collection of guitar and amps right now, but there was a time a few years ago when I was about to get evicted from my apartment and wasn't sure where my next meal was coming from. I had to sell a bunch of gear to survive--fabulous holy grail stuff--and it was a painful thing to go through. I hate selling stuff.

I realize that it is a big investment. You're doing good, gathering information--doing your homework. But sometimes it does go sideways, and the trade-off is that you've gained wisdom and experience. When that happens, you have to make the mental note and then move forward to your goal. It is okay to make a mistake.

And sometimes, you just hit the ball out of the park on the first swing. Finding and owning the guitar of your dreams is a great feeling. And when it happens, remember to give thanks, because to be happy within is to be blessed.


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For me, the vibe or feel of the Historic models is very different than the Gibson USA models, and I prefer that feel. There are people that have different thoughts about this, but for me they are worth the extra money. Once I got my first Historic, I was totally addicted. There are USA models I like, and some I don't. I liked the Standards before they went to the asymmetrical neck, but some guys really like that neck. My 1960 Classic Premium Plus guitars from the mid '90s are awesome; I like the thin necks, and they are great platforms for pickup and electronic upgrades...but they have a VERY different feel from my Historics. (They changed though, after about 1998 and I'm less appreciative of these.) Ditto for my Elegant--fabulously beautiful guitar, but it just doesn't have that feel. To me, that feel is worth the extra cost of the Historic models.


Bill
 
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Re: 1958 Les Paul Standard Reissue VOS

I'm not a big fan of the G-Force either, and like you, I tend not to sell my guitars. However, I think it is appropriate to look at resale value--it is always wise to consider "buying low and selling high".

I see that you've been looking at a couple of different models. One of the things you need to settle on though, is neck size. You really need to figure out if you like the Gibson Slim Taper neck, or if you prefer the more rounded '59 profile, or if you like the "baseball bat" necks of the '54-'58 Reissues. Some people have really strong preferences. I lean to the Slim Taper, but I have a couple of the fat neck Historics and I seem to be able to get around on them.

I think in this case, where you might be buying a really expensive guitar that you haven't had a chance to play (especially when there is a lot of variation from guitar to guitar) you're going to have to accept that you might wind up with a guitar you dislike, and for whatever reason you'll want to return or resell it. I realize it can be hard to do, trust me. I've done it--it feels like I didn't do my homework; that somehow I failed when I bought something that didn't meet my needs. I've got a great collection of guitar and amps right now, but there was a time a few years ago when I was about to get evicted from my apartment and wasn't sure where my next meal was coming from. I had to sell a bunch of gear to survive--fabulous holy grail stuff--and it was a painful thing to go through. I hate selling stuff.

I realize that it is a big investment. You're doing good, gathering information--doing your homework. But sometimes it does go sideways, and the trade-off is that you've gained wisdom and experience. When that happens, you have to make the mental note and then move forward to your goal. It is okay to make a mistake.

And sometimes, you just hit the ball out of the park on the first swing. Finding and owning the guitar of your dreams is a great feeling. And when it happens, remember to give thanks, because to be happy within is to be blessed.


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For me, the vibe or feel of the Historic models is very different than the Gibson USA models, and I prefer that feel. There are people that have different thoughts about this, but for me they are worth the extra money. Once I got my first Historic, I was totally addicted. There are USA models I like, and some I don't. I liked the Standards before they went to the asymmetrical neck, but some guys really like that neck. My 1960 Classic Premium Plus guitars from the mid '90s are awesome; I like the thin necks, and they are great platforms for pickup and electronic upgrades...but they have a VERY different feel from my Historics. (They changed though, after about 1998 and I'm less appreciative of these.) Ditto for my Elegant--fabulously beautiful guitar, but it just doesn't have that feel. To me, that feel is worth the extra cost of the Historic models.


Bill
It would be nice if the value appreciated on the guitar I wind up getting. I was dead broke and starving and still didn't sell any of my gear. Yeah, I'm nuts.

As far as the necks go, I tried the 2015 Traditional which, according to the website, has a Rounded XL neck and the Standard which has the Slim Taper Asymmetrical neck. I like both. I hate Ibanez Wizard necks.

What is your opinion on this guitar, for example? Would this be a good investment?

http://www.wildwoodguitars.com/products/941191.php?CategoryID=90&n=37

I played a 2008 Historic which I thought was alright. I wasn't blown away. I think a pup change would solve that or actually playing it through my Marshall. I believe the 2008 Historic was $2,999. Is this a good deal or typical?

I also played a 2013 Standard which I hated (mainly the neck and feel).

From all of the LPs I've tried I liked the 2015s the best. They felt great and sounded great. The G-Force doesn't bother me, I see how it can come in handy live but it's almost weird to see it there but I'm not ruling it out.

Now, would that $6,500 Custom Shop '59 blow me away?
 
Re: 1958 Les Paul Standard Reissue VOS

Ask yourself these questions:

Do I want a flame-top, a plain-top or a solid color top (gold, black, etc.)? If you want a flame-top, how much flame? Wide flame? Narrow? Quilt? Usually the more flame, the more $$$.

If I get a flame top or a plain top, what color do I want it to be? Cherry burst, Dark Burst, Lemon, Iced Tea, etc.?

Do you want the VOS finish which has the feel and patina of an old guitar (without being reliced), or do you like a new shiny guitar? Do you want a factory relic guitar done by Tom Murphy?

Is weight an issue? Could you wear a 9.4 lbs. LP on your shoulder for a four hour gig? Generally...lighter means more $$$.

Do you have any concern with construction: solid, swiss cheese (weight relieved) or chambered? There may be tonal differences. Does this matter?

Which neck do I like? Big and fat, or slim?

Do I want to buy a new guitar with warranty, or a used one with dings and scratches?

Is my ideal Les Paul light, with an airy resonant tone; or do I prefer a heavier, denser guitar that sustains like it was cut from a slab of granite?

You need to answer these questions to narrow down your search.

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Some of the issues you've had could be due to poor setups, but sometimes a guitar just doesn't feel right; other ones will just speak to you.

Here's a couple I found on the Les Paul Forum Classifieds.

Both of these are very nice. I like pre-Historic for its color, but would prefer the newer construction of the R8.

http://www.lespaulforum.com/forum/showthread.php?193832-FS-2013-R8-1987-Prehistoric-1971-ES335


Hard to believe a hunk of wood could be so beautiful. Just exquisite.

http://www.lespaulforum.com/forum/showthread.php?193702-FS-2014-HOG-50th-anniversary-R9-Goldie-gloss



This one might be my fave. Love the color, and very nice flame.


http://www.lespaulforum.com/forum/showthread.php?193551-FS-FT-2014-Figured-Top-R8-VOS-1958-Reissue-Les-Paul

It's okay to drool!

Bill
 
Re: 1958 Les Paul Standard Reissue VOS

That one is awesome, though that one mineral streak is a bit much. Makes it really identifiable though. What do you think of it?

Another place to check out is Dave's Guitar Shop in Wisconsin. They also have some beautiful guitars. Wildwood has a great rep from the Les Paul Forum.

Bill
 
Re: 1958 Les Paul Standard Reissue VOS

That one is awesome, though that one mineral streak is a bit much. Makes it really identifiable though. What do you think of it?

Another place to check out is Dave's Guitar Shop in Wisconsin. They also have some beautiful guitars. Wildwood has a great rep from the Les Paul Forum.

Bill

I like the sound and looks. The streak is not too big of a deal. Like you said it makes the guitar really identifiable.

Just checked Dave's and this caught my eye.

http://davesguitar.com/products/gib...picked-1958-les-paul-reissue-2014-version-22/

What can you tell me about Custom Buckers? Is each set wound for the particular guitar it goes in?
 
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The streak would be THE element to sell it for mine.

Too many times I see 'boring' tops that have very geometric flame or even patterns. I try and stay away from these generic looks, as you want to celebrate the fact you have a natural material, not hide it (IMO).
 
Re: 1958 Les Paul Standard Reissue VOS

The streak would be THE element to sell it for mine.

Too many times I see 'boring' tops that have very geometric flame or even patterns. I try and stay away from these generic looks, as you want to celebrate the fact you have a natural material, not hide it (IMO).

Yeah, I hear you on that. Did you check the video? Sounds great too. I'm gonna keep my eye on this one.
 
Re: 1958 Les Paul Standard Reissue VOS

I'd strongly encourage the OP to join mylespaul.com. There is endless LP information in the Historic Section. I've been on there for many years and theres alot of good info including the changes that have been made throughout the years of historic production,etc. Fun LP website to surf...
 
Re: 1958 Les Paul Standard Reissue VOS

I'd strongly encourage the OP to join mylespaul.com. There is endless LP information in the Historic Section. I've been on there for many years and theres alot of good info including the changes that have been made throughout the years of historic production,etc. Fun LP website to surf...
Thanks, I'll check that out.
 
Re: 1958 Les Paul Standard Reissue VOS

Great advice from everyone on this topic. All I would add is that you might want to consider buying from a dealer with a good return policy. IME you're never really sure it's THE ONE until you get her home, set her up to your liking and play her through your rig. A guitar can sound great in a clip or even in the store, but if it doesn't work with your gear, then you've got more GAS at best and buyer's remorse at worst. Just my .02, YMMV.
 
Re: 1958 Les Paul Standard Reissue VOS

Great advice from everyone on this topic. All I would add is that you might want to consider buying from a dealer with a good return policy. IME you're never really sure it's THE ONE until you get her home, set her up to your liking and play her through your rig. A guitar can sound great in a clip or even in the store, but if it doesn't work with your gear, then you've got more GAS at best and buyer's remorse at worst. Just my .02, YMMV.
Totally. I appreciate everyone's input. This is the biggest deal I've made about buying a new guitar. My gear is simply a modded Marshall JCM800. I've played a 1960s Reissue Gold Top Classic through it and it kicked ass. So, I'm not too concerned about the tone but the feel.
 
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Totally. I appreciate everyone's input. This is the biggest deal I've made about buying a new guitar. My gear is simply a modded Marshall JCM800. I've played a 1960s Reissue Gold Top Classic through it and it kicked ass. So, I'm not too concerned about the tone but the feel.

Nice! Can't go wrong with that amp! :headbang:

Do your research and be patient - the LP you're looking for is out there!
 
Re: 1958 Les Paul Standard Reissue VOS

Hey guys. I'd love to get your opinion on this guitar. I'd like to get a Les Paul next but I wan't it to be a really good one.

http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-GIB-LPR84VO-BBNH1

the gibson re-issues are beautiful sounding faithful re-creations of the classic design specs. i have the 57 reissue and it's just a blast. solid body, no weight relief. original pots and pickup designs, etc.

some of the LP purists don't like the 2012+ reissues because they have the "plastic?" fretboard-am i correct there? or is it called laminate or something? either way i doubt there's any difference in sound or looks.

the 57 was my first LP and i was like you where i just wanted to get a good one. what a guitar!
 
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