1981 Gibson Les Paul Custom SILVERBURST

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My whole point was about the approach, almost calling it a fake. Also, I didn't know of any deal gone bad with him. Just felt the guy was getting beat for no actual reason, specially having done a smooth deal with him before.

I don't think Formula was trying to say it was fake. I think he is just warning people that the guitar is not original, so shouldn't be advertised as such or priced as such until the seller researches his item to give a better and more accurate description, especially at the price it's listed at.

Honestly, I don't know if the guitar is original Kahler from the factory or not and I don't care. I do know that if it is, it's worth the $2500, maybe a hair less with the different Kahler instead of the Gibson marked one. If it's not an original Gibson Kahler route, I see old non original Kahlered Customs in the $900 to $1400 range. That's a huge price difference to go on what "someone else" said about its originality.
 
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I think the best thing to do would be for the seller to check the bridge route and post pictures of it to show if it is original or not and adjust his price accordingly. Problem solved. No harm, no foul.
 
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well I know he posted thta martin I nearly bought, but Lucid saved me form that, as I wasnt the Martin the Op claimed it was and wroth hundreds of dollars less.

Are you refering to that Martin acoustic i sold like a year ago?

If you will refer to the post i stated publicly that i didnt know what model it was and that after furthur research i had been told it was a special model built for GC....so what the hell? i sold it for a great price and the buyer was EXTREEMLY HAPPY!!!!!
 
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It appears that the bridge that is on the LPC is not original. As far as the guitar being kahlered from the factory, i have no reason to believe its not.

If anybody doubts my honesty or this guitar, i can have dozens of references for you with in minutes.

Seems that im being thrown under the bus from a couple people that have some kind of personal vendeta against me....the people here are smart enough to make a decision for themselves wether this guitar is right for them. Everybody knows that if you buy from me you will be 100% satisfied...no questions asked.

As for the people who are making my life hell....MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!!!!! If i was selling a chineese fake it would be a different story....you have no right to come in here and make all these alligations that im some kind of scammer, when it is very clear with all the transactions i have done and the quality of gear i deal with, that i am FAR FROM IT!!!!!

If you have anymore to say to me do it via PM..and leave my AD alone!!!!
 
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I think the best thing to do would be for the seller to check the bridge route and post pictures of it to show if it is original or not and adjust his price accordingly. Problem solved. No harm, no foul.

The price is where it should be, regardless. I have seen other 80-85 LPC silverburst with the same route, same trem, sell for the same price!
 
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You better back off man. You are way out of line. Im not doing anyting wrong here. I sure would like to know why you are tring to make me out to be some kind of worthless f*** because peole that i've dealt with in the past will tell you im certainly not!
...and the OP still claims all original...
 
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IMO, this whole thing should be been handled through PM's and then the thread adjusted to reflect originality of the trem or not. Crapping on someone's thread in the TP is bad taste, IMO. I don't care what it is. Handle it through PM and then go from there.
 
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Are you refering to that Martin acoustic i sold like a year ago?

If you will refer to the post i stated publicly that i didnt know what model it was and that after furthur research i had been told it was a special model built for GC....so what the hell? i sold it for a great price and the buyer was EXTREEMLY HAPPY!!!!!

I'm going to go ahead and correct you on this with your own thread. You can delete it if you want, but enough people have seen it to know better.

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?t=211314

I was the first to post in your thread saying I was sending you a PM. I thought that was the best way to handle it instead of making it look like I was crapping on your thread. The only reason I bring it up now openly is because of what you just said, claiming Jerry to be a liar. Jerry is a drunk, a dork and at times I get so pissed I'd like to strangle him, but this is one time Jerry is right and I know for a fact he is and will back him up on it.

That's the guitar in Jerry was talking about. It was a Guitar Center Special for $899 brand new with a a lifetime waranty.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt with your original post that you didn't know what it was. I sent you a private message shortly after you posted it telling you what it was with links to your guitar. Your reply was "Thanks".

You never told Jerry what model it was, you went on later in the thread to say you still didn't know what model it was and finally said "to the best of your knowledge and research" that is was some kind of Custom hybrid Martin, still asking a price that was more expensive than buying a new one.

No where in the above thread did you tell what the actual model was, even after being told, you danced around it with "I'm not sure" and general descriptions of models it was close to. You say here that after you were told, you advertised it as the Guitar Center Special, but looking back on the original thread, you never did. The only reason I knew about Jerry was because he contacted me asking what it was worth before he paid you for it. I sent him the links and he backed out, the whole time you never telling him the actual model and saying that it was some kind of Custom and you weren't sure exactly what it was. Doesn't matter if the buyer is happy or not if he doesn't know exactly what he bought.



The price is where it should be, regardless. I have seen other 80-85 LPC silverburst with the same route, same trem, sell for the same price!
As for the price being set where it should be. If it's all original, I agree, but if someone else butchered it up and did a non factory route, it's worth nowhere near what you're asking. I don't see why you're having such a problem posting pics of the route, unless there is something YOU DONT WANT people to know about it.

If you still think a non original routed Gibson is worth All original price, give Gruhns, Elderly or Mandolin Brothers a call and see what they tell you and what they would price it at.

I'm sure it's a great playing a sounding guitar. I'm also sure someone will give your asking price as long as your claiming it to be original. I just feel sorry for them if they decide to take it to a reputable dealer and try to sell it if it has a non original route.

It appears that the bridge that is on the LPC is not original. As far as the guitar being kahlered from the factory, i have no reason to believe its not.

I still don't understand why you won't take 5 minute to check and post pictures of the route. It's not that hard to do.
 
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IMO, this whole thing should be been handled through PM's and then the thread adjusted to reflect originality of the trem or not. Crapping on someone's thread in the TP is bad taste, IMO. I don't care what it is. Handle it through PM and then go from there.

BIG +1. I read this thread earlier and decided to butt out, but yeesh, a couple of you guys are really going overboard with this stuff.
 
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Nobody looks good in this one, but if I had to choose between a jerk and a liar, I'm gonna go with the jerk every time.
 
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IMO, this whole thing should be been handled through PM's and then the thread adjusted to reflect originality of the trem or not. Crapping on someone's thread in the TP is bad taste, IMO. I don't care what it is. Handle it through PM and then go from there.

Luci tried to handle it through pms before. I knew that. It didn't work. That's the whole reason I started this. Countdown to op thread deletion in 3...2...1...
 
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Two snippets of boring but true information.

1) The Kahler Flyer referred to many posts ago was a flat-mount vibrato bridge/tailpiece and, hence, unsuitable for a carved top guitar with stud mountings.

2) If Gibson were going to fit a Kahler bridge to an electric guitar at the factory, I think they would have managed to source one in the same finish as the other metal hardware parts.
 
Re: 1981 Gibson Les Paul Custom SILVERBURST

Two snippets of boring but true information.

1) The Kahler Flyer referred to many posts ago was a flat-mount vibrato bridge/tailpiece and, hence, unsuitable for a carved top guitar with stud mountings.

2) If Gibson were going to fit a Kahler bridge to an electric guitar at the factory, I think they would have managed to source one in the same finish as the other metal hardware parts.

The Gibson-branded Kahlers had spring loaded, height-adjustable saddles, like the Flyers. The one that's on there has the height/spacing adjustable saddles. Yes, and it doesn't match. I don't know how, with all the finger pointing and mud-slinging I've done here, that I failed to mention that.:lmao:
 
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I am closing this thread, and giving the OP the opportunity to create another thread. Any further discussion is to be carried out via PM. Remember that the forum rules apply to PM's as much as threads/posts, keep it respectful.

Once the OP has created a new thread, I intend to delete this one...
 
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