1x12 for high gain amps

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I'm a big fan of Mesa's Celestion c90 speaker ... they sound BIG for 1x12 or 2x12 cabs
 
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you can always turn a 212 on its side for size issues and height issues

something about phasing of having 2 speakers and also the low end that is worthwhile

I am saving up for neodymium speakers and modifying Orange open back cabs to closed back so that it is lightweight


I am all for combo amps cause of size and portability but they dont sound right for a lot of styles ;)
 
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phil_104 said:
I play a mesa 1x12 mini recto cab. It lacks some of the punch that you get from a 4x12, but the vibe of the mesa 4x12 is still there.

For me, the perfect compromise is the Mesa Rectifier 2x12. By far my favourite cab ever.
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The Mini Recto cab is cool, and I like it with the small Mesas, but a single V30 can't handle the full 90W of the Mark V.

I like the Recto 2x12 too. I'm specifically looking for 1x12 though. Portability is a big factor for me - I want to be able to easily fit all my gear in my hatchback.

some_dude said:
I use a Widebody 1x12 open back stacked on a 1x12 front ported. Both sound great, but the Royal Atlantic 1x12 sounds better.
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Cool, thanks for your insight. I know you actually have a MkV.

SirJackdeFuzz said:
Never thought of running a High Gain Monster through a 1X12 cab . . .


. . . but if i had to, i would probably do something like this :


1X12 Over Sized Port City cab with an Emi Swamp Thang !


http://portcityamps.com/products/cabinets/1x12-and-1x12-os-wave/ - $475, unloaded.


Atleast on B&W, this is what i would do !
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That looks like a good option. Thanks.

everdrone said:
you can always turn a 212 on its side for size issues and height issues

something about phasing of having 2 speakers and also the low end that is worthwhile

I am saving up for neodymium speakers and modifying Orange open back cabs to closed back so that it is lightweight


I am all for combo amps cause of size and portability but they dont sound right for a lot of styles ;)
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I like having more speakers, but a 2x12 isn't portable enough for what I'm trying to do.
 
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Two tens are always better than a single 12, and the Celestion 10" Greenbacks are touted as sounding like 12s .... and they do, as i recently bought a pair. Due to having more bass, they lose some efficiency (they are rated at 95 dB), but that can actually be a good thing, as it allows you to turn the amp up a bit more. So that's my suggestion ... they're very light weight, too.

As for people who worry about their amp head being wider than their speaker cabinet .... if your audience is paying more attention to that detail than to your band and music, you have way more serious issues to address. No-one gives a crap about what your amp looks like. Get over it, you ain't special unless you can prove it by playing your instrument. If you truly believe it's an issue, simply stay at home and just leave your amp on the stage for the benefit of the patrons, as you clearly don't belong on a stage, and are unable to be more noticeable than your amp.
 
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crusty philtrum said:
As for people who worry about their amp head being wider than their speaker cabinet .... if your audience is paying more attention to that detail than to your band and music, you have way more serious issues to address. No-one gives a crap about what your amp looks like. Get over it, you ain't special unless you can prove it by playing your instrument. If you truly believe it's an issue, simply stay at home and just leave your amp on the stage for the benefit of the patrons, as you clearly don't belong on a stage, and are unable to be more noticeable than your amp.
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The Mark V's reverb tank sticks out through the bottom of the head shell (they have to squeeze a lot of stuff in there). If the rubber feet don't make contact with a flat surface, the entire weight of the amp will be resting on the reverb tank. That's why I want a cab that's as wide as the head.

Anyway, let me know if you need a ladder to help you off that high horse.
 
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ratherdashing said:
The Mark V's reverb tank sticks out through the bottom of the head shell (they have to squeeze a lot of stuff in there). If the rubber feet don't make contact with a flat surface, the entire weight of the amp will be resting on the reverb tank. That's why I want a cab that's as wide as the head.
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That's easily enough fixed. carry a piece of wood that's the size of the head's footprint. Sit it on top of the speaker cab and sit the head on top of the piece of wood.


btw, my comments about those who get upset about their amp head being wider than their cab was not aimed at you, it is a general response when i see a bunch of people in a thread whose entire artistic being is apparently shattered beyond repair if their amp is 1/2" wider than their speaker box. (rubber feet can be relocated inwards, wobbles caused by handles on top surfaces can be dealt with using a couple of small blocks of wood, so any issues are easily sorted). That just leaves the appearance, so i assume that's what most people get upset about. It's also where i drop away, because i just like music ... the part that goes into my ears. I have no interest in what someone's amp looks like, it shouldn't even enter the equation.
 
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crusty philtrum said:
That's easily enough fixed. carry a piece of wood that's the size of the head's footprint. Sit it on top of the speaker cab and sit the head on top of the piece of wood.
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That would certainly work, but it's one extra thing I'd have to transport. I'd prefer to avoid that if possible.

btw, my comments about those who get upset about their amp head being wider than their cab was not aimed at you, it is a general response when i see a bunch of people in a thread whose entire artistic being is apparently shattered beyond repair if their amp is 1/2" wider than their speaker box. (rubber feet can be relocated inwards, wobbles caused by handles on top surfaces can be dealt with using a couple of small blocks of wood, so any issues are easily sorted). That just leaves the appearance, so i assume that's what most people get upset about. It's also where i drop away, because i just like music ... the part that goes into my ears. I have no interest in what someone's amp looks like, it shouldn't even enter the equation.
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Fair enough.
 
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I have owned a 4x12, 2x12s, and have played through a mini 1x12. If portability is really important to you the 1x12 will get the job done but theres definately a tradeoff with the portability factor as your tone is smaller with the single speaker. I agree with the person who favored a 2x12s as it's kinda a middle ground. Not that the 2x12 is portable but more so in comparison to a 4x12. I figure if I ever get to the point of carting it around Ill get a cheap dolly from harbor freight and roll it to and from the car. I really wish Mesas horizontal cabs had recessed handles on the sides so it wasn't so awkward to pick and carry though.
 
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I have a $100 rocknroller dolly that is really effective

what I want to do is to get two of these Orange cabs:

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Dimensions: 26"W x 21-1/4"H x 12"D

weight = 45 pounds

I will put the neodymium speakers in, they only weigh 4 pounds each so that cuts the weight down 10 pounds to a total of 35 pound cabinets. convert them to closed back cabs.

here are the dimensions of the MESA BOOGIE
1x12 WideBody™
Guitar Cabinet
DIMENSIONS:

16-1/2in H
22-1/2in W
11-1/4in D

MESA BOOGIE THEILE IS A LITTLE SMALLER

*DIMENSIONS:

15-3/4in H
18-7/8in W
12-3/4in D


only an 8" difference! Definitely I could fit my rig in my compact toyota corrolla car :)
 
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Port City makes a great 1x12; the porting doesn't loosen up the low end like you'd think and does wonders for projecting and avoiding the 'boxy' sound that a lot of 1x12s can have.
 
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The 1x12 widebody was the one i was thinking of that Dashing didnt think I was worthy of a comment . Thats the one, the 1x12 widebody! That comes with the C-90. It fits the normal Mesa heads. I hate to say this, but i couldn't stomach my head to stick out over my cabinet.It would creep me OUT! Why would someone think porting would loosen the low end; its designed to tighten and lower the bass frequency response.
 
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MetalManiac said:
The 1x12 widebody was the one i was thinking of that Dashing didnt think I was worthy of a comment . Thats the one, the 1x12 widebody! That comes with the C-90. It fits the normal Mesa heads. I hate to say this, but i couldn't stomach my head to stick out over my cabinet.It would creep me OUT! Why would someone think porting would loosen the low end; its designed to tighten and lower the bass frequency response.
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tighten + thicken low end aren't usually really compatible things, and ported cabs can loosen low end for the same reason that open back cabs can.
 
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Never played my amps through a 1x12 cab, but I have played a few high gain 1x12 combo amps with success, so I fully support your 1x12 cabinet venture.


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ratherdashing said:
TBH the only reason I didn't consider the Thiele is because it's not quite wide enough for the Mark V head to sit on top. Maybe that's a dumb reason.
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I have a 5:50+ head and it is slightly wider and deeper than the 1x12 cab I ordered from Stone Age. It may look a little funny, I am concerned more about the stability. I may have to reposition the feet.
 
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hydro said:
I have a 5:50+ head and it is slightly wider and deeper than the 1x12 cab I ordered from Stone Age. It may look a little funny, I am concerned more about the stability. I may have to reposition the feet.
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ratherdashing said:
The Mark V's reverb tank sticks out through the bottom of the head shell (they have to squeeze a lot of stuff in there). If the rubber feet don't make contact with a flat surface, the entire weight of the amp will be resting on the reverb tank. That's why I want a cab that's as wide as the head.
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Ah I see - did not know that about the MkV. The 5:50 has similar dimensions but the tank is completely inside the shell.

If it is helpful and you do not already have the link here are Mesa's listed dimensions & weights. Been a big help to me. One disclaimer; the slant top cabs depth listed is measured at the bottom, not at the top.

http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_Info/weights-dims/weightsNdims.pdf
 
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The Engl Pro112 is a closed back SOLID 1x12 cabinet. It's made in Germany of 14 times folded Siberian Birch and loaded with a 60 watt handling Celestion Vintage 30. It sounds good to my "metal ears". I actually sold a 4x12 to fund it, it was expensive....I have no regrets, it's sooooo much more portable!
 
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A friend of mine has recently parted with his 1x12 cab and is rocking an old Sunn 2x15 cab.....Can't remember what speakers he put in there (cab was empty when he bought it) but man it has plenty of presence...has me thinking about a 1x15 for my house rig.....
 
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