2 hum, 2 volume, 1 tone, 3-way switch (mini toggle), 2 paral/splitcoil/seri switches

[jay2013]

Hey everyone,

Just wondering if I could get some help on the title set up. I haven't been able to find a schematic that is set up like this. I'm using a trembucker and a lil 59 in the neck.

I'd like to be able to select either humbucker or both at the same time while controlling their volume, not unlike how a les paul is set up (although my guitar is a strat and would only have one tone control).

But I also want to be able to change each pickup to either parallel, split, or series.

I have three dp3t mini toggle switches that I'd like to use. Anyone up for hooking me up with a wiring diagram. I can post pictures and some audio when I'm done. Thanks!

 

[kramersteen]

Re: 2 hum, 2 volume, 1 tone, 3-way switch (mini toggle), 2 paral/splitcoil/seri switc

i have a guitar that has a single humbucker a 3way on/on/on switch, single/normal/parallel It also has a bypass switch. The cool thing is what ever setting your on when you bypass it keeps the pickup on the setting it was. So essentially It has 6 tones/sounds from one humbuker. :naughty:

 

[jay2013]

Re: 2 hum, 2 volume, 1 tone, 3-way switch (mini toggle), 2 paral/splitcoil/seri switc

i have a guitar that has a single humbucker a 3way on/on/on switch, single/normal/parallel It also has a bypass switch. The cool thing is what ever setting your on when you bypass it keeps the pickup on the setting it was. So essentially It has 6 tones/sounds from one humbuker. :naughty:

That sounds like a cool set up.

 

[jay2013]

Re: 2 hum, 2 volume, 1 tone, 3-way switch (mini toggle), 2 paral/splitcoil/seri switc

I found this diagram that will work, except for one question still.

http://www.guitarelectronics.com/pr...itch2-Volumes1-ToneSeries-Split-Parallel.html

This diagram uses a typical 3-way selector like on a gibson LP. I want to use a mini toggle switch (DP3T)(on/on/on). The mini toggle switch doesn't have an out for ground like the les paul style switch.

Will this be a problem?

thanks
Jay

 

[ratherdashing]

Re: 2 hum, 2 volume, 1 tone, 3-way switch (mini toggle), 2 paral/splitcoil/seri switc

I found this diagram that will work, except for one question still.

http://www.guitarelectronics.com/pr...itch2-Volumes1-ToneSeries-Split-Parallel.html

This diagram uses a typical 3-way selector like on a gibson LP. I want to use a mini toggle switch (DP3T)(on/on/on). The mini toggle switch doesn't have an out for ground like the les paul style switch.

Will this be a problem?

thanks
Jay

Nope. Just ignore that wire.

 

[jay2013]

Re: 2 hum, 2 volume, 1 tone, 3-way switch (mini toggle), 2 paral/splitcoil/seri switc

ok, my 3 switches came in, but they are not what I expected. On the bottom them have three rows of connectors to soder to (as expected), but each row has 4 poles. For the pick-up selector, Is it ok if I don't hook anything up to the other poles, or should each row be jumpered together? I attached a picture.

And for the 2 switches that will be used as the parallel/split/series, how do I wire these up now? Can I just ignore the poles that won't be used?

Thanks for the help!

 

[ratherdashing]

Re: 2 hum, 2 volume, 1 tone, 3-way switch (mini toggle), 2 paral/splitcoil/seri switc

You don't have to use the other poles if you don't want to.

 

[jay2013]

Re: 2 hum, 2 volume, 1 tone, 3-way switch (mini toggle), 2 paral/splitcoil/seri switc

You don't have to use the other poles if you don't want to.

I think in a dual throw that would be correct, but not on a triple throw.

For the pick-up selector switch to work right the 1st row of poles will need to be jumpered to the 2nd row (see pic), if the toggle switch is set up like most are. At least that is my understanding. For the coil tap/series/parallel switches, the 1st and 2nd rows are used differently (see earlier post for diagram), but if there is a 3rd and 4th, then those two rows can be ignored.

 

[ratherdashing]

Re: 2 hum, 2 volume, 1 tone, 3-way switch (mini toggle), 2 paral/splitcoil/seri switc

^ Unless you're using some wacky switch I've never seen, you are mistaken. A three-pole switch is three independent (i.e. not connected) switches actuated by a single lever. Same with a two pole switch, a four pole switch, and so on. If you only need one pole, you can ignore the others. This has nothing to do with it being two throw, three throw, on-on-on, on-off-on, or whatever throw configuration the switch has. Three poles = three discrete switches. You can jumper them if you want to, but it won't make a difference.

 

[jay2013]

Re: 2 hum, 2 volume, 1 tone, 3-way switch (mini toggle), 2 paral/splitcoil/seri switc

^ Unless you're using some wacky switch I've never seen, you are mistaken. A three-pole switch is three independent (i.e. not connected) switches actuated by a single lever. Same with a two pole switch, a four pole switch, and so on. If you only need one pole, you can ignore the others. This has nothing to do with it being two throw, three throw, on-on-on, on-off-on, or whatever throw configuration the switch has. Three poles = three discrete switches. You can jumper them if you want to, but it won't make a difference.

I'm not saying I'm not wrong, I'm still learning. But look at the internal connection picture I've attached (provided by the vendor). This is how all double pole / 3 position mini toggles I've looked up work. As you can see there would be many issues with just hooking up to one row of poles, for starters A1 does not tie in to anything in the center position.

 

[ratherdashing]

Re: 2 hum, 2 volume, 1 tone, 3-way switch (mini toggle), 2 paral/splitcoil/seri switc

I'm not saying I'm not wrong, I'm still learning. But look at the internal connection picture I've attached (provided by the vendor). This is how all double pole / 3 position mini toggles I've looked up work. As you can see there would be many issues with just hooking up to one row of poles, for starters A1 does not tie in to anything in the center position.

Now that I see that, you're right: there are some (not all) DP3T on-on-on switches laid out like that.

The one the OP has is a 4P3T switch though, so there's no way it could even possibly have the same layout.

 

[jay2013]

Re: 2 hum, 2 volume, 1 tone, 3-way switch (mini toggle), 2 paral/splitcoil/seri switc

Now that I see that, you're right: there are some (not all) DP3T on-on-on switches laid out like that.

The one the OP has is a 4P3T switch though, so there's no way it could even possibly have the same layout.

Again I'm still just learning, but it seems to me that the 4P3T will just repeat that pattern from my earlier post.

 

[ratherdashing]

Re: 2 hum, 2 volume, 1 tone, 3-way switch (mini toggle), 2 paral/splitcoil/seri switc

Again I'm still just learning, but it seems to me that the 4P3T will just repeat that pattern from my earlier post.

If you want to learn things, learn this: never make assumptions about electronic components. Read the datasheet, and verify by testing.

 

[jay2013]

Re: 2 hum, 2 volume, 1 tone, 3-way switch (mini toggle), 2 paral/splitcoil/seri switc

If you want to learn things, learn this: never make assumptions about electronic components. Read the datasheet, and verify by testing.

Thanks man! And you let me know if I can help you further understand how basic switches work.