50's or Modern wiring on your Paul's?

[Hank-]

Re: 50's or Modern wiring on your Paul's?

Volumes dependent or independent?

I don't quite know to be honest lol Just one lp in my collection, so just one 4 knobber, rest are two or three knobs with single master volume.

Is it considered dependent when in the middle position and turning down the volume of one pickup completely cuts out entire output? Then that is what I have. I haven't bothered paying attention to see if in the individual neck or bridge position, the volume or tone knob ppsition of the other affects the one that is selected tonally. The whole guitar sounded good enough that I only experimented with treble bleeds & oop+series wiring with a pp switch after changing the pickups.

Edit: I forgot to add, I use no load tone pots on all my guitars. I convert the ones that read much lower than expected value into no loads, though Bourns has no load pots available pre made. Only haven't come across no load push pull pots, those I have to diy for good.

 

[blueman335]

Re: 50's or Modern wiring on your Paul's?

Dependent is when one volume control can turn down both PU's volume's in the middle position.

 

[Swampy]

Re: 50's or Modern wiring on your Paul's?

I decided to go modern.

Dependent is when one volume control can turn down both PU's volume's in the middle position.

I believe all my other 2 humbucker guitars are this way, and I'd like this one to not be. What needs to be done to make this guitar independent? Easy enough to do with everything wired up already?

 

[Darg1911]

Re: 50's or Modern wiring on your Paul's?

I decided to go modern.





I believe all my other 2 humbucker guitars are this way, and I'd like this one to not be. What needs to be done to make this guitar independent? Easy enough to do with everything wired up already?

Top one is dependant, bottom is independent. Easy swap.

 

[Hank-]

Re: 50's or Modern wiring on your Paul's?

^Okay thats not how mine I wired. The third lug is not grounded to the back of the pot, instead one leg of the cap is connected to it & other leg of the cap is grounded to the back of the pot. A wire connects the middle lug of the tone pot to the first lug of the volume pot, like in the "typical stock" diagram above. And I'm feeling too lazy to open up the back panel to check if the pickup & selector switch wires match that diagram as well.

Oh nevermind, I'll open it & check lol

Anyways, what does it do specifically with the independent volumes, as in add more treble or increase the amount of mix range on the pots in the middle position? Cause with my no load pots, the tone pot & cap is out of the circuit on 10, so less load overall

 

[Dahla]

Re: 50's or Modern wiring on your Paul's?

Independent volume is great, just note that the guitar might not be dead silent when you roll the volume all the way down if you have a 2 vol guitar. It’s noticable if you play a loud amp.

Turn both volumes down and it’s quiet though. The mod is worth it, but just a heads up.


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[Darg1911]

Re: 50's or Modern wiring on your Paul's?

^Okay thats not how mine I wired. The third lug is not grounded to the back of the pot, instead one leg of the cap is connected to it & other leg of the cap is grounded to the back of the pot. A wire connects the middle lug of the tone pot to the first lug of the volume pot, like in the "typical stock" diagram above. And I'm feeling too lazy to open up the back panel to check if the pickup & selector switch wires match that diagram as well.

Oh nevermind, I'll open it & check lol

Anyways, what does it do specifically with the independent volumes, as in add more treble or increase the amount of mix range on the pots in the middle position? Cause with my no load pots, the tone pot & cap is out of the circuit on 10, so less load overall

The way your caps are grounded just sounds like an alternative method. I think the Dimarzio wiring diagrams are like that.

 

[blueman335]

Re: 50's or Modern wiring on your Paul's?

Anyways, what does it do specifically with the independent volumes, as in add more treble or increase the amount of mix range on the pots in the middle position? Cause with my no load pots, the tone pot & cap is out of the circuit on 10, so less load overall

It allows you to blend each PU in any increment in the middle position, so you can get a lot more tones. I also wire my neck HB's for spin-a-split, which lets you blend in as much, or as little, of the 2nd coil on the neck HB. Again, a lot more tones available that way. I especially like it as I can add treble & thin out mids on my neck PU. In both of these wirings, no new parts are needed, you're just moving wires to different lugs on the pots. No cost and only takes a few minutes to do. But you can do so much more to create tones.

 

[Hank-]

Re: 50's or Modern wiring on your Paul's?

The way your caps are grounded just sounds like an alternative method. I think the Dimarzio wiring diagrams are like that.

Yeah I kept it consistent to avoid confusion since it was easier to find diagrams from dimarzios site & try them out but the stock wiring in my guitars has been the same way, only the cap would be connected on the middle lug instead of third. So I figured it didnt matter much since the other end of the cap would be grounded anyway.

It allows you to blend each PU in any increment in the middle position, so you can get a lot more tones. I also wire my neck HB's for spin-a-split, which lets you blend in as much, or as little, of the 2nd coil on the neck HB. Again, a lot more tones available that way. I especially like it as I can add treble & thin out mids on my neck PU. In both of these wirings, no new parts are needed, you're just moving wires to different lugs on the pots. No cost and only takes a few minutes to do. But you can do so much more to create tones.

I see, I like the spin-a-split idea but can't use it with the neck in my lp copy, my 59n in it is two conductors version. But luckily it doesn't sound bloated or boring like it did in my Korean PRS, so its all good for now.

 

[blueman335]

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I see, I like the spin-a-split idea but can't use it with the neck in my lp copy, my 59n in it is two conductors version. But luckily it doesn't sound bloated or boring like it did in my Korean PRS, so its all good for now.

Hasn't stopped me for doing it. Between the coils is a junction where a wire from each coil is connected to each other. If you solder a shielded wire to it, it becomes the 'red & white' wires on a Duncan PU. Run it to the tone pot (which you've previously wired as a volume pot), and you have spin-a-split. I figured this out because when I converted HB's from single lead so multi-lead fo spin-a-split, but I didn't want to have to use 4 lead wire. I looked at diagrams for which coil wires became the black, green, red, & white on Duncans. The red & white are the two in the middle that are connected to each other, and the two running out are the black (hot) and green (ground). Technically all you need for coil cut and spin-a-split is 3 leads (I have an old Carvin triple lead HB that does coil cut).

 

[Swampy]

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Top one is dependant, bottom is independent. Easy swap.

Seems easy enough. Thanks!
Just waiting to get a bridge pickup. When I mentioned earlier that I had it wired already, I only meant the pots, switch and jack, so when I do drop the pups in, I'm going independent.