59/Custom Hybrid and Custom Custom in the Battle of '78

Was about to also suggest the Perpetual Burn have a PB / Alnico II Pro set in my purple Quilt Carvin DC 127 and had one for a while in my Kiesel DC 135. Think it should be one of your options. A Burn with the Sentient neck is also a killer combo, as is a Hybrid Sentient. One of the best clean country lead tones I have ever gotten with any guitar was with a Hybrid and Sentient, both split!

Mannnn….there’s so many options, so little time and money! That’s two for Perpetual Burn! Ugh! Ironically, the set that I’m exchanging under RMA, is a Pegasus/Sentient set, and like I said in a different post, looking back (just a few weeks ago), I don’t think I gave them a fair shot. They were the very first ones I swapped after playing the 78’s for so long, and I just freaked out, like I made a mistake by taking the 78’s out, but they were the start of the rabbit hole and there were definitely things I liked about them a lot.

I played some more this evening, and the 59/C is just…different, but any pickup is going to be. I love the sound of it, and it does cleans and light gain incredibly well, I’m just trying to get used to the feel.
 
Mannnn….there’s so many options, so little time and money! That’s two for Perpetual Burn! Ugh! Ironically, the set that I’m exchanging under RMA, is a Pegasus/Sentient set, and like I said in a different post, looking back (just a few weeks ago), I don’t think I gave them a fair shot. They were the very first ones I swapped after playing the 78’s for so long, and I just freaked out, like I made a mistake by taking the 78’s out, but they were the start of the rabbit hole and there were definitely things I liked about them a lot.

I played some more this evening, and the 59/C is just…different, but any pickup is going to be. I love the sound of it, and it does cleans and light gain incredibly well, I’m just trying to get used to the feel.

First I agree on the cleans and light gain with the Hybrid. The combo of the Hybrid and a Sentient neck is a fantastic one, or at least was in my old all KOA Hardtail Carvin DC 127.
We threw this song together on the fly for a Christmas thing one year and I used that guitar check out these clean country solo tones at 2 min running the Hybrid and Sentient both split.
https://youtu.be/MmQ5lOI1Fs8?si=3swxVOGuLzkspx0K
Same event running full humbucker and was running unmiced through my little Mesa Subway Rocket with noting but a little delay in the loop and an old Boss CS3 on the clean stuff
https://youtu.be/hen1EGlQP0k?si=ifrA_QT7l4jf67cx
To throw you another curve I am a HUGE fan of the full Saturday Night Special set. If you even think about that pickup, get the full set, as had a hard time getting a feel and tonal match with a neck and bridge pickup because of how the A4 reacts. I have a trembucker bridge set in my Carvin AE 185 now.
 
First I agree on the cleans and light gain with the Hybrid. The combo of the Hybrid and a Sentient neck is a fantastic one, or at least was in my old all KOA Hardtail Carvin DC 127.

We threw this song together on the fly for a Christmas thing one year and I used that guitar check out these clean country solo tones at 2 min running the Hybrid and Sentient both split.

To throw you another curve I am a HUGE fan of the full Saturday Night Special set. If you even think about that pickup, get the full set, as had a hard time getting a feel and tonal match with a neck and bridge pickup because of how the A4 reacts. I have a trembucker bridge set in my Carvin AE 185 now.

Well, I just played two church services this morning, and either I have my rig dialed in all completely wrong (I use both pickups at some point, and everything from pristine clean to loads of gain at some point), because it just felt and sounded all wrong this morning. Ugh. I thought I had it dialed in, but of course live is different than practicing by yourself.

I’m starting to wonder if my particular guitar just really liked the 78’s as much as I did, because I definitely didn’t have to fight with them. I’m going to keep trying to work with this 59/C, because I do like it, it’s just a lot different than the 78 and my ears and rig are fighting me.

I’ve also ordered some UOA5 and A2 magnets, to possibly try them in that pickup.
 
Well, I was joking, but since you never play those guitars, why not mix it up a bit and use them to try some of the other pickups you want? Maybe you'll find a magic combo that brings them back to life for you.

This is great advice I've followed twice. I found that my PRS SE Custom 22 is a perfect match for the 59 set that didn't really agree with my Les Paul, and I rediscovered the awesomeness that is the parallel axis series with the PATB-1 in my HSS Player Strat.
 
im kinda an a2 magnet in humbucker junkie. a5 almost always doesnt feel right. uoa5 is much better, but 9/10 times i prefer a2

Me as well. I like the A5 in a 59/Custom Hybrid, and in some vintage PAFs, but A2 is what does it for me.
 
Alright, so I had/have a set of Dimarzio 36th Anniversary’s, the neck had already been in and pulled back out during this pickup hunt, and the bridge was in my mutt Kramer partscaster.

I plugged in the Kramer into my rig, WITHOUT changing any settings, and A/B’d it and my #1 back and forth several times, and the partscaster with the 36th Anniversary just felt SO much better to me, on high gain, clean, low gain, all of it.

After playing two church services this morning on the 59/C (Thornbucker was in the neck), and everything feeling all wrong and not being able to “play” my gain stages like I usually do (those pickups were playing me this morning, I wasn’t playing my guitar…I just felt so unsure of myself and just wasn’t able to play like I usually do), I decided this afternoon to pull the 36th Anniversary bridge pickup out of the partscaster, desolder both the 59/C and the Thornbucker, and install the set of 36th Anniversary’s in, as an experiment.

I told myself, that if get that “Yes!” factor and that comfortable feeling when playing them, then that means that either that guitar, or me, or both…just prefer a low-wind PAF style pickup.

The 36’s have Alnico 5, the 78’s have Alnico 2.

The 36’s spec at 7.31K neck, 8.6K bridge

The 78’s spec at 7.8K neck, 9.0K bridge

So, they’re in the same family/same category. Interestingly, the 36’s, even with Alnico 5 magnets, have a very round pick attack and a softer top end than the 78’s, but even still, I liked the feel and sound of them better than the 59/C, they just have that…low wind PAF “thing” that I (or my guitar, or both of us) apparently like, they just have this sizzle and snarl that I like, and I like the 78’s feel and sound even better than the 36’s. So…there it is.

Point being, I think I’ve decided to stop hunting, at least for now. I’m going to email (and then call) Seymour Duncan tomorrow, and if it’s not too late, tell them to just send me a TB-78 (the neck pickup for the RMA already is a 78).

On the one hand I feel like a shmuck for changing my mind so many times, but on the other hand, I learned, at the end of the day, that 78’s are my pickups, and that’s a valuable thing to learn.

I still have those UOA5 magnets coming (and a couple A2’s), so maybe I’ll try a UOA5 in the 78 and see if I like that or not.

Either way, my guitar will still get a new look from how it’s been since I built it, and I’m going to get my set of Custom Shop 78’s recabled. Final final answer (I just hope I can catch them tomorrow before they fill my RMA order, but they’re Pacific time, so I’ll be up LONG before their work day starts).
 
im kinda an a2 magnet in humbucker junkie. a5 almost always doesnt feel right. uoa5 is much better, but 9/10 times i prefer a2

I’ve had a bunch of different pickups in a bunch of different guitars over the years, but two pickup models that stand out to me, that I don’t have to try to remember if I liked them or not (there’s been a bunch over the years!), are the 78’s (obviously!), and Pearly Gates. I’ve had PG’s in at least four guitars over the years, and there’s a reason it hasn’t just been one guitar. Of course , I’ve only had one set of purple/yellow bobbin custom shop wound by MJ Pearly Gates, but there have been others.

Edward Van Halen also landed on A2, and stayed there for quite awhile.
 

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A note on the DiMarzio 36th PAFs. Even though they have an A5 magnet, they also have the airbucker technology which makes it feel like an A2 and a lower magnet pull. That's why they sound they way they do. The original DP103 did not have the airbucker technology, still an A5 magnet. I wish they still offered the original DP103. That's one of my favorite PAF variants.

Glad you got things figured out. I've gone around and around like this too. Haven't done many swaps the last few years since I've got my guitars how I like them. The '78 is a great pickup.
 
i have a 36th anniversary. with the a5, i didnt care for it. still sounded and felt like a5 to me, even with the rubber spacers and coil slugs. not bad, but not close enough. i pulled the spacers an put an a2 bar in there, and it was much more to my liking. obviously we all have our own tastes and what works best for one of us, may not for someone else. thats part of the experiment, figuring out what works best for you.

im a big fan of the pg set as well. also use seths and antiquitys a fair amount
 
A note on the DiMarzio 36th PAFs. Even though they have an A5 magnet, they also have the airbucker technology which makes it feel like an A2 and a lower magnet pull. That's why they sound they way they do. The original DP103 did not have the airbucker technology, still an A5 magnet. I wish they still offered the original DP103. That's one of my favorite PAF variants.

Glad you got things figured out. I've gone around and around like this too. Haven't done many swaps the last few years since I've got my guitars how I like them. The '78 is a great pickup.

Yeah, I forgot that it had the airbucker tech in it, I’ve had that set for about 10+ years and hadn’t studied them in awhile.

I’m glad I got it figured out, too. I was also able to get in touch with SD this morning and they were able to update my exchange RMA in time, so I’ll have a fresh set of 78’s coming.

my Custom Shop 78’s are from 2021. I hope they didn’t change a single thing in the meantime to the production line formula since they were made. I hope they sound exactly the same.
 
Yeah, I forgot that it had the airbucker tech in it, I’ve had that set for about 10+ years and hadn’t studied them in awhile.

I’m glad I got it figured out, too. I was also able to get in touch with SD this morning and they were able to update my exchange RMA in time, so I’ll have a fresh set of 78’s coming.

my Custom Shop 78’s are from 2021. I hope they didn’t change a single thing in the meantime to the production line formula since they were made. I hope they sound exactly the same.

They should sound identical. About the only thing missing would be MJ's magic pickup pixie dust. :)
 
The hybrid is its own thing, it's very dynamic, but like you say it's also unforgiving. Has a different feel to me than any other pickup almost explosive harmonically and in some ways cuts better for solos that a JB in my experience.
I need to try a set of 78's as on paper they look a look like the Beryllium bridge Frank Gamballi neck Kiesel set I have in both my DC 600's. It's one of my favorite humbucker combos.
I have also been running a number of A2 humbuckers from the Beryllium bridges in 4 of my Kiesels to the Alnico II neck in my purple DC 127 with a Perpetual Burn in the bridge.
 
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