59 neck in bridge.

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I can get (borrow) a 59 neck pickup and have been looking for a bridge p/u for an offset partscaster. Currently have a SD Ant2 Mustang pickup in the neck which I like a lot. Wondering how different would the SH1n be from a SH!b in that bridge position. Maybe even the lower wind of the sh1N could be a better fit with the low wind of the Mustang neck .
I don't come across many bridge pickups I like that much.. most too thin to my ears.. I like the scoop sound with tight lows and somewhat tamed highs which is why I do like the Mustang neck p/u and thinking the 59 could be a good match . Cleans and light crunch are my preferences.
I could also see a SH1b there and experimenting with some magnet swapping to dial it in. Anybody run a SH1n in the bridge spot..?

 

[beaubrummels]

59 neck in the bridge is like a poor man's T-Top IME. When I was chasing Jimmay Page tone, it's one of 2-3 that got me the closest.

 

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59 neck in the bridge is like a poor man's T-Top IME. When I was chasing Jimmay Page tone, it's one of 2-3 that got me the closest.

That sounds interesting and a bit promising.. I'm wondering if a sh1n might sound a little fuller, rounder so to speak than the sh1b.

 

[jeremy]

the sh1n will be brighter and cleaner than the sh1b in the same position. the physical position of neck vs bridge is what makes neck pups sound fuller and rounder. pups designated neck pups usually have fewer turns which gives less output and a brighter tonality. in your case, matching a humbucker to a single coil, that may work in your favor and be a great match

 

[ToneFiddler]

That sounds interesting and a bit promising.. I'm wondering if a sh1n might sound a little fuller, rounder so to speak than the sh1b.

no absolutely NOT!

i had the 59n in the bridge in one guitar for a while and actually preferred it to the 59b in that particular guitar, but it‘s really bright!

i agree with jeremy

 

[beaubrummels]

That sounds interesting and a bit promising.. I'm wondering if a sh1n might sound a little fuller, rounder so to speak than the sh1b.

Not fuller and rounder, but clear and good bite. I tried it because they are notoriously tubby in the neck, so I wondered if that tubbiness would balance out the brightness of the bridge position, and it kind of did. It was quite even for me. I also used a T-Top replica in the same guitar, same position, and by comparison the replica was murkier, less clear, but the same tone profile, same amount of bass, mids and treble. A lot of 70's rock was done with T-Tops in the bridge. The 7.5k / A5 recipe works pretty well. I've heard a short bar A5 in a Jazz neck is the closest to a T-Top, but when I tried just a straight a Jazz Neck in the bridge, it didn't sound right; it was thumpy and not as clear and was missing some bite (I didn't believe a short bar would significantly alter the tone profile, so just tried it as is).

 

[Mincer]

Allan Holdsworth used a 59 neck in the bridge for years. He sounded amazing with it.

 

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Thanks for the good suggestions.. I'm leaning toward the 59b at the moment..

 

[Bogner]

There are no rules. It can't hurt to try. If it works for you, who cares!

 

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I ordered a 59 bridge pickup.. They just sound so freaking good.. I've been looking at several different SD's .. After whittling it down to Seth Lovers, Antiquity's, and the 59'... I went with the 59 here as I just need the one pickup for the bridge that I am pairing with a SD Ant2 Mustang neck pickup. Well see how it goes but I think the tight, slightly scooped sound of the 59 is pretty much what I am looking for.. I like the balance and the good presence in the low end the 59 has and have a dislike for treble monsters..
I am stealing the Mustang pickup out of another offset partscaster and I do believe I will go with a set of the Antiquity's when I redo that one. After a couple of hours listening to the Lovers and Ants I think the Antiquity's are the ones for me.. For me there are just too many times I didn't really like the Seth bridge.. I felt the Seth bridge had a tendency to get a little loose and it seemed to me it was a little too microphonic for my taste when pushed a little, where as the Antiquity's did not display any of that to my ears..
I'm no expert so ymmv..
That "Visual Guy " has some really good comparison videos out there as far as videos go.. Does a lot of SD comparisons. Doesn't kill it with a bunch of effects either..
Thanks for all the good input here..

 

[Mincer]

The 59 is still an amazing pickup, and what it does isn't easily replicated by any other model. Let us know how this project turns out!

 

[Lewguitar]

Most old pafs were wound more like the 59N than the 59B.

Replace the polished A5 magnet with a roughcast A5 and you'll get closer still.

Or roughcast A2 or A4.

However, A5 will seem louder than A2 or A4. Not a bad thing for a bridge pickup.

 

[zizyphus]

If you want a '59 neck, I'm happy to sell you one in Zebra. I also have every variety of magnet laying around, so I can mag swap in for you if you want__PRESENT

 

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Well I got my 59 bridge pickup yesterday. Ordered directly from SD to get the reverse zebra I wanted. I installed it along with the Mustang Ant2 and so far so good.. I have not got down to any serious assessments yet, just spent the evening getting everything in place , adjusting the intonation and such. I have the pickups just screwed into the body right now as I am ordering my pick guard today. I don't have much adjustability height wise but it's not far off as it is.. Initial impressions are good though. The 59 at low volume shows very nice clean tone.. none of the nasaly thin tone I dislike on a lot of bridge pu's.. Has a nice full clear sound with a balance I like so far. The EQ of the 59 and the Mustang are very similar, (scooped a little) so I don't know if that is a good or bad thing.. But they seem so far to play well together. The middle position sounds pretty good for how little I have played so far. I like the heck out of the pickups on their own. Will have to see how they play together over some time here..


This is a 25.5" scale routed body with a 24.75 Gibson scale Tele style Roasted Maple neck and Tele half bridge. The body is based on the 1964 - 1982 Mustang body.

 

[jeremy]

cool looking guitar and i bet the pups sound good! what color guard will go on?

 

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I ordered a black one for now.. (from WD) I had been looking at some others but I think the body itself is kinda busy looking so I went with the basic look.. I looked at Tort but I'm not the biggest fan there.. Aged White Pearl or Creme Pearl I thought might look good and I had originally picked out the Black Abalone Pearl but in the end thought it was just too busy when next to this ash body's grain.. However this is suppose to be for my grand daughter so I doubt she is all that into basic black..lol we can always make adjustments there...
Of course I gotta give it up to her first..

 

[Mincer]

Indeed, it is a very cool and unique looking guitar. She will love it.

 

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Thought I would do a little follow up on my progress...
Got my pickguard from WD a few days ago.. Once again they did a really nice job from the template I sent them.. 3rd custom job from them and they have nailed it every time..
I installed the SD 59b a couple of weeks ago.. Right now I have an Rough cast A2 magnet in it. Wanted to see if I could take a little off of the original A5 to bring it down a bit closer to the level of the SD Antquity2 Mustang neck pickup.. It's blending pretty good at this point..
I really like the middle position blending the two together, kinda plucky, clear articulate and on its own the 59b with the A2 is very full round tone, but still has enough top end with the guitar tone knob on 10. to me and I am having no issues what so ever balancing the volume level between the two by adjusting the height.. ANd the Mustang Neck pickup is good stuff imo.. I think the Mustang Ant2 is a very underrated or just forgotten pickup.. I like what it brings to the table..
I have a host of various Alnico mags and I might play around with the 59 a little more just to see what I can get .. I'd be fine with what I have now though..
I am running 500k pots , .022uf orange drop, wired 50's Les Paul style to help preserve the highs with the vol rolled down a bit.
I really like how it plays, Kinda my favorite out of 3 right now.. yeah I know it's new and all..
I have a kinda chunky like a .860 to .970 taper or there abouts, Roasted neck with a 1 3/4 nut with 6105 EVO frets built by Best Guitar Parts (BGP) . 24.75" scale.
All in all I'm liking it a lot.. Plays and sounds pretty good.

 

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