'59 vs Jazz

[autumnchorus]

Re: '59 vs Jazz

If you could forgive my ignorance, what difference in tone might I expect from using a Jazz Bridge at the neck instead of the Jazz Neck? I gather the output in a JB is greater than that of the JN to account for the difference in string vibration at each position; is anything done to account for the tone?

 

[uOpt]

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If you could forgive my ignorance, what difference in tone might I expect from using a Jazz Bridge at the neck instead of the Jazz Neck? I gather the output in a JB is greater than that of the JN to account for the difference in string vibration at each position; is anything done to account for the tone?

Jazz neck and bridge are very close, the wind is different by 2%, which is the tolerance anyway.

 

[Holy Diver]

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Jazz neck and bridge are very close, the wind is different by 2%, which is the tolerance anyway.

And that amounts to what difference in tone and sound?

 

[Zhangliqun]

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And that amounts to what difference in tone and sound?

No. You can wind two pickups to the exact same specs with the exact same wire and the exact same magnets charged exactly the same and they can sound TOTALLY different. There are things you can do to manipulate the coil and a few other tricks that drastically alter the tone.

Also, according to Master Evan, Duncan does not make any scatterwound pickups. FWIW I have no reason to believe he isn't being straight up about that, if for no other reason than since "scatterwound" is a big buzzword in the pickup-junkie world, it would be to Duncan's advantage to claim that at least some of their pu's are scatterwound.

I'm not making fun of the scatterwinding concept -- hey, I'm one of its biggest proponents. But as Duncan proves, it's not the only way to wind a fine pickup.

 

[Holy Diver]

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I still want to know the difference in sound of the Jazz neck and the Jazz bridge in the neck?

 

[uOpt]

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I still want to know the difference in sound of the Jazz neck and the Jazz bridge in the neck?

It's underwound by only 2% according to the tone chart.

If you want to know exactly you gotta try them both.

 

[metalmm785]

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I much prefer the '59 over the Jazz if you are looking for a ballsy and smooth paf-styled tone. It just sounds sooooo warm. The Jazz sounds a bit too bright/clinical in comparison, even though i do like it on my schecter for crazy high gain leads as they cut thru like butter. Clean, It just has a certain characther in the tone that doesn't feel right all the time...

 

[jeremy]

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i always thought that the jazz was wound with 43 pe wire rather that 42

 

[hanumanlangur]

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I much prefer the '59 over the Jazz if you are looking for a ballsy and smooth paf-styled tone. It just sounds sooooo warm. The Jazz sounds a bit too bright/clinical in comparison, even though i do like it on my schecter for crazy high gain leads as they cut thru like butter. Clean, It just has a certain characther in the tone that doesn't feel right all the time...

I'm starting to prefer the '59 as well. It's very warm and full compared to the Jazz, and has that nice familiar PAF character to it. A totally underrated pickup.

 

[Holy Diver]

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Anybody tried a DDn?

 

[Gearjoneser]

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The difference between the Jazz bridge and neck is very minimal. The main reason to go with a bridge model is simply that's it's a tiny bit more of a good thing....tiny, but if the pickups cost the same, just get the one that's got a few more winds on it.

I use the Jazz B, 59N, and PGn in the neck positions of my main humbucking guitars. I honestly like all 3. The 59n is great for high notes in solos because it's tubby sounding.
The Jazz's sound great for clean rhythm and solos, and same with the PGn, although the PG is a little more organic and textured, while the Jazz's are more punchy and clear.

 

[uOpt]

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I'm starting to prefer the '59 as well. [...] A totally underrated pickup.

Not according to Seymour Duncan's "what the bigwigs use" pages. The 59 is leading by far, the second ranking pickup (JB) has less than half the mentions.

So far I found the '59 to get too snorty too early but I only had it in one guitar so far, so maybe it was a snorty guitar and things bogged down in combination.

Time to measure the wire gauge of a Jazz I figure.

Actually we can verify whether the Jazz uses awg 43 by coil size. Since we know it has about the same resistance, we know it must have less winding than the '59. The combination of less windings with thinner wire should lead to a visibly smaller coil (the coil might be bolstered in the center, though).

 

[Holy Diver]

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I like the sound of the distortion neck from the sound clips. Don't know how good it sounds in the real world. I do play metal, though.

 

[hanumanlangur]

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Not according to Seymour Duncan's "what the bigwigs use" pages. The 59 is leading by far, the second ranking pickup (JB) has less than half the mentions.

There are plenty of good players who use them, and they come loaded on tons of ESP's and Hamers, but they don't have a big following here like the Jazz and Pearly Gates do.

 

[baritone]

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I like 59s a lot, but I prefer the hi-fi character of the Jazz.