A bit of a gripe.
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PicoRiveraTele
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Re: A bit of a gripe.
Well that answers the question as to whether this thing was ever intended for the market. I feel bad for Cathy Duncan that she should have to field communications like this in the first place.
Well that answers the question as to whether this thing was ever intended for the market. I feel bad for Cathy Duncan that she should have to field communications like this in the first place.
CaptainWhizz
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Re: A bit of a gripe.
Never in a million years could I have imagined that, when I named a pickup after a famous artist's well-known song, someone else might come up with the same name.
Never in a million years could I have imagined that, when I named a pickup after a famous artist's well-known song, someone else might come up with the same name.
PicoRiveraTele
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Re: A bit of a gripe.
It is kind of strange, though. For one thing, Seymour Duncan already has a George Lynch pickup. And then, within the space of a month, a Dokken fan names a pickup project after a particular song, and SD is supposedly working on a Dokken themed pickup of the same name. I'm not saying OP has a case, or that OP is in the right, it's just all very strange. This product fits SD's recent and unoriginal pattern of naming new pickup models after songs, "Whole Lotta Humbucker" , "Saturday Night Special", etc., but "the Hunter" doesn't even seem like all that great of a name, and Dokken doesn't have the quite the timeless appeal of Led Zeppelin or Lynyrd Skynyrd. It's inconceivable to me that SD would have stole this rather uninteresting pickup concept from OP.
It is kind of strange, though. For one thing, Seymour Duncan already has a George Lynch pickup. And then, within the space of a month, a Dokken fan names a pickup project after a particular song, and SD is supposedly working on a Dokken themed pickup of the same name. I'm not saying OP has a case, or that OP is in the right, it's just all very strange. This product fits SD's recent and unoriginal pattern of naming new pickup models after songs, "Whole Lotta Humbucker" , "Saturday Night Special", etc., but "the Hunter" doesn't even seem like all that great of a name, and Dokken doesn't have the quite the timeless appeal of Led Zeppelin or Lynyrd Skynyrd. It's inconceivable to me that SD would have stole this rather uninteresting pickup concept from OP.
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CaptainWhizz
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Re: A bit of a gripe.
I thought there was a Dokkenbucker or Lynchbucker or something from the Custom Shop that was quite popular? I haven't really payed much attention, because I've not been looking at pickups for that style of music, so someone with more knowledge could shed more light. But I assumed a connection.
I thought there was a Dokkenbucker or Lynchbucker or something from the Custom Shop that was quite popular? I haven't really payed much attention, because I've not been looking at pickups for that style of music, so someone with more knowledge could shed more light. But I assumed a connection.
gregory
New member
Re: A bit of a gripe.
Dokkenbucker. The closest thing is an SH-6 with a single thick ceramic, a DD Lite, if you will. It's not all that different than a JB+. Then there's the RTM (Warren DeMartini), which you can approximate with an A2 magnet.
These ideas have been around for a very long time.
What Lynch used and when has been the subject of plenty of debate. Before working with Arcane he was just using a JB, but considering the cork-sniffing I've seen him do over tubes, I'm sure they weren't just any old JBs (to him, at least). His tone on the latest Lynch mob release was likely done with the Arcanes and perhaps others. Some of the tracks sound as if they could have been done with a TB-12. Some of the stuff sounds like a split HB.
Whether he's going to use this newest signature pickup is another thing; but then again it seems Steve Morse may be using newer pickups and I never thought this would ever happen. Lynch has been more experimental when it comes to pickups, however.
Dokkenbucker. The closest thing is an SH-6 with a single thick ceramic, a DD Lite, if you will. It's not all that different than a JB+. Then there's the RTM (Warren DeMartini), which you can approximate with an A2 magnet.
These ideas have been around for a very long time.
What Lynch used and when has been the subject of plenty of debate. Before working with Arcane he was just using a JB, but considering the cork-sniffing I've seen him do over tubes, I'm sure they weren't just any old JBs (to him, at least). His tone on the latest Lynch mob release was likely done with the Arcanes and perhaps others. Some of the tracks sound as if they could have been done with a TB-12. Some of the stuff sounds like a split HB.
Whether he's going to use this newest signature pickup is another thing; but then again it seems Steve Morse may be using newer pickups and I never thought this would ever happen. Lynch has been more experimental when it comes to pickups, however.
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Chistopher
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Joey Voltage
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Re: A bit of a gripe.
One? If Duncan’s “the hunter” is supposed to be Lynch inspired, it would make it the 4th or 5th.
One? If Duncan’s “the hunter” is supposed to be Lynch inspired, it would make it the 4th or 5th.
Joey Voltage
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Re: A bit of a gripe.
How about “the swamp donkey”? A perfect name for something that’s big sounding and on the assault.
How about “the swamp donkey”? A perfect name for something that’s big sounding and on the assault.
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Riley
New Products Specialist
Re: A bit of a gripe.
Just to clear things up, the upcoming 'The Hunter' pickup is a George Lynch signature model that will be offered in the Custom Shop. The name was chosen in conjunction with George, and we did our usual due diligence (fairly intensive search for existing trademarks and products) before settling on it.
Just to clear things up, the upcoming 'The Hunter' pickup is a George Lynch signature model that will be offered in the Custom Shop. The name was chosen in conjunction with George, and we did our usual due diligence (fairly intensive search for existing trademarks and products) before settling on it.
Jeff_H
Dean Hardtail Fanologist
Re: A bit of a gripe.
Well, that seems to be the definitive word on that. SD is a first class operation and it sounds like they research everything very thoroughly. Thanks for the info Riley.
Well, that seems to be the definitive word on that. SD is a first class operation and it sounds like they research everything very thoroughly. Thanks for the info Riley.
PicoRiveraTele
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Cullenszoo
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Re: A bit of a gripe.
And Cathy Duncan's email stated pretty much the same. I appreciate you running this up the chain Riley, I got an email earlier today.
She was apologetic about the time frame and explained the process used to research the name. She identified that in this day and age things could end up with the same name with no ill intention on either parties behalf. In addition Duncan would never go after any artist or musician that personally uses that product name.
That's the good part, aside from her pleasant tone overall.
The bad part.
I can never produce a pickup, endorsement or otherwise, using the Hunter name. So, the work I've put into adding the pickup as part of my branding is wasted. So, the lesson learned here is NEVER share your ideas or creations online unless you have a trademark, patent, or copyright in place first. AND if you happen to have an idea the same time as a big company, kiss the idea goodbye because they will keep it.
As another poster found my blog and shared it (Thank you) you can see there has been a LOT of effort and work put into branding my self along with my band.
Again, I appreciate the help Riley.
And Cathy Duncan's email stated pretty much the same. I appreciate you running this up the chain Riley, I got an email earlier today.
She was apologetic about the time frame and explained the process used to research the name. She identified that in this day and age things could end up with the same name with no ill intention on either parties behalf. In addition Duncan would never go after any artist or musician that personally uses that product name.
That's the good part, aside from her pleasant tone overall.
The bad part.
I can never produce a pickup, endorsement or otherwise, using the Hunter name. So, the work I've put into adding the pickup as part of my branding is wasted. So, the lesson learned here is NEVER share your ideas or creations online unless you have a trademark, patent, or copyright in place first. AND if you happen to have an idea the same time as a big company, kiss the idea goodbye because they will keep it.
As another poster found my blog and shared it (Thank you) you can see there has been a LOT of effort and work put into branding my self along with my band.
Again, I appreciate the help Riley.
Chistopher
malapterurus electricus tonewood instigator
Cullenszoo
New member
Re: A bit of a gripe.
I may just do that. My guitar recordings have gotten some attention and I do things a little differently both live and recording.
I may just do that. My guitar recordings have gotten some attention and I do things a little differently both live and recording.
treyhaislip
Well-known member
Re: A bit of a gripe.
Definitely not an excuse--there has been many issues like this for quite some time (a lot of them can't be searched because they magically disappear...)
They say the squeaky wheel gets the grease, maybe just try to be persistent? Never worked for me with SD though...best of luck to ya!
Definitely not an excuse--there has been many issues like this for quite some time (a lot of them can't be searched because they magically disappear...)
They say the squeaky wheel gets the grease, maybe just try to be persistent? Never worked for me with SD though...best of luck to ya!
PicoRiveraTele
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Re: A bit of a gripe.
The best I can tell, the sum of this work has been putting a ceramic bar into a JB, then mention the fact in a blog post and on facebook. It seems like you've put more energy into this grievance than you did the project itself.
The best I can tell, the sum of this work has been putting a ceramic bar into a JB, then mention the fact in a blog post and on facebook. It seems like you've put more energy into this grievance than you did the project itself.
JB_From_Hell
Jomo's Nimions
Re: A bit of a gripe.
If we really wanna split hairs about who was dorking with JB magnets first...
Back in May of 2004, I took the A5 magnet out of my TB-4 and replaced it with the thick ceramic from a Detonator. For the aggressive, down-tuned stuff I was into at the time, the pickup sounded great and thus my ultra-stupid forum name was born. However, I'm sure someone else did it before me.
If we really wanna split hairs about who was dorking with JB magnets first...
Back in May of 2004, I took the A5 magnet out of my TB-4 and replaced it with the thick ceramic from a Detonator. For the aggressive, down-tuned stuff I was into at the time, the pickup sounded great and thus my ultra-stupid forum name was born. However, I'm sure someone else did it before me.
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