A few specific questions about testing wood influence on tone

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Re: A few specific questions about testing wood influence on tone

DreX said:
That video is absolutely terrible.
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Its terrible to answer the question of whether or not it matters under controlled laboratory conditions, but it's a predictable demonstration of what happens when you blind the test and confront people who believe stupid **** with an opportunity to demonstrate what they claim to be able to perceive so readily.

One thing tonewood believers can't seem to wrap their heads around is that if some trivial variable negates the ability to test tonewood simply under blinded, practical conditions, (for example, attack), then that fact itself trivializes tonewood down to the point of practical irrelevance, which sure is a long walk from every moron who has all sorts of superlatives to trot out whenever they hear that 'warm mahogany'.

What the kid did there was not a closely controlled scientific experiment.

It was a loosely controlled test to establish whether or not something can be perceived under ordinary conditions.
People who suggest that is 'without value' are almost without exception people who want to believe in tonewood, they just don't want to confront anything that demonstrates how lame their beliefs are.
 
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Tonewoods said:
Its terrible to answer the question of whether or not it matters under controlled laboratory conditions, but it's a predictable demonstration of what happens when you blind the test and confront people who believe stupid **** with an opportunity to demonstrate what they claim to be able to perceive so readily.

One thing tonewood believers can't seem to wrap their heads around is that if some trivial variable negates the ability to test tonewood simply under blinded, practical conditions, (for example, attack), then that fact itself trivializes tonewood down to the point of practical irrelevance, which sure is a long walk from every moron who has all sorts of superlatives to trot out whenever they hear that 'warm mahogany'.

What the kid did there was not a closely controlled scientific experiment.

It was a loosely controlled test to establish whether or not something can be perceived under ordinary conditions.
People who suggest that is 'without value' are almost without exception people who want to believe in tonewood, they just don't want to confront anything that demonstrates how lame their beliefs are.
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One thing Tonewoods cannot seem to wrap his head around is the fact he is talking to himself. In circles. Round and round like a record.
 
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SnakeAces said:
Sorry pal, what you have is belief, not science. You can post in all caps as much as you would like, rant on and on about fairy tales and such as much as you like but it still does not change the fact that you have a theory. Not science.

Nice try though.
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I see.
Is there any way we can get YOU in some sort of real time format to answer some simple questions about how the various electrical systems of a guitar work, to demonstrate just what it is that you know, as far as the context knowledge you're working with?

My guess is that you would know literally nothing. You can foolishly prance around saying inane drivel like "NUH UH! YOU AINT GOT NO SCIENCE YOU JUST GOTS A THEORY!!!". I'd say you're a 50/50 coinflip to have a high school diploma, never mind any degree of formal training on/comprehension of any scientific concepts relevant to this discussion.

You are a perfect example of what I said earlier; why trying to have a conversation with someone who has no knowledge but 'belief' is pointless if your position is based on knowledge they do not posses nor would understand. Oh, but bawwwwwwwwww, is that 'arrogant' of me to point that out? Couldn't care less. Welcome to the inequalities of life. Now go get your shine box.
 
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Tonewoods said:
I see.
Is there any way we can get YOU in some sort of real time format to answer some simple questions about how the various electrical systems of a gutar work, to demonstrate just what it is that you know, as far as the context knowledge you're working with?

My guess is that you would know literally nothing,m you can foolishly prance around saying stuff like "NUH UH! YOU AINT GOT NO SCIENCE YOU JUST GOTS A THEORY!!!". I'd say you're a 50/50 to have a high school diploma, never mind any degree of formal training on/comprehension of scientific concepts relevant to this discussion.

You are a perfect example of what I said earlier; why trying to have a conversation with someone who has no knowledge but 'belief' is pointless if your position is based on knowledge they do not posess nor would understand. Oh, but bawwwwwwwwww, is that 'arrogant' of me to point that out? Couldn't care less. Welcome to the inequalities of life. Now go get your shine box.
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Keep the insults coming buddy. Real classy.
 
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SnakeAces said:
Keep the insults coming buddy. Real classy.
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So your shtick here is to say a bunch of moronic, provocative garbage and then roll over and play 'victim' claiming to be 'insulted' when someone finally points out you're clueless?

If I wanted to 'insult you' I'd link to your own Soundcloud account. I'm trying to keep this as on-topic as I can.
 
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Who are you Mr. Wood? Did you graduate from MIT or something? Keep posting, you rock!

Please Admin, don't kill this thread.
 
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Tonewoods said:
So your shtick here is to say a bunch of moronic, provocative garbage and then roll over and play 'victim' claiming to be 'insulted' when someone finally points out you're clueless?

If I wanted to 'insult you' I'd link to your own Soundcloud account. I'm trying to keep this as on-topic as I can.
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The more you talk, the closer you are to getting banned buddy. Keep up the good work. I don't really care if you do not like my music, some people do, some people don't but at least I enjoy it. That's all that matters. I am guessing you do not even play let alone have recorded music.
 
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Tonewoods said:
Its only become semantic because one side deplores the idea of a simple, conclusive test.

3 strat bodies of different materials, 1 strat (every other component), same amp, same cord.
Play 40 riffs with body 1, replace hardware and neck onto body 2. Play 40 riffs. Replace hardware and neck onto body 3, play 20 riffs.
100 riffs with unequal distribution.

Randomize riff clips, present to believers blinded, watch incredible (in the classical sense, as in non-credible) excuses rain in.
They either assert that tonewood isn't something that can be perceived in sound clips (thus discrediting their entire narrative, per what digital sound clips can actually accomplish in terms of reproduction) or they start making pathetic excuses about irrelevant variables that themselves detonate their earlier narratives of what is such a 'big deal' in a wood guitar when it comes to 'creating tone'. "Muuuh... well... see... MAYBE WHEN YOU CHANGED THE NECK YOU ENLARGED TEH SCREW HOLES AND EVERYONE KNOWS THAT EFFECTS TOAN!!!"

If they think they can hear wood in a signal, its no problem whatsoever setting up a test to demonstrate whether or not that is true.
Its just that when you propose actually doing it, they try to find an excuse to either stymie the test at all costs by demanding variable control so refined that it undermines their tonewood concept, or the other old standard... I AINT CARE BOUT NO SCIENCE I PLAY GUITARS FOR FEEL AND SOUL ROCK AND ROLL WHO EVEN CARES YOU ARGUE BOUT TONEWOOD IMMA PLAY MY GUITARS!!!

Some kid did go to the trouble (a few days ago) to actually do it blinded. If the tonewood narrative is true and his test is credible, this should be a trivially easy freeroll for you guys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjHt9IqDmIA

But notice the things they will say about why that is invalid, oblivious to the fact that in doing so, they inherently discredit their own position.
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You mean you're blaming this all on the people you disagree with?! I'M SHOCKED! I mean you haven't said this before, at length, where is this coming from?!

Seriously, I write a short statement and you write a freakkn' essay in response. You and your attitude are the biggest obstacles here. What happened to your promise to DreX to not foul up his thread? I guess squashing your opposition is far more important. You are a real credit to this forum! Without you we might have an enjoyable discussion. But thank God that's not the case.

But I know, I'm out of line... and because I spoke against you you will call me a tone wood believer and dismiss anything as support of that end even though there's nothing in this post about that. Please, queue your page long response of personal insults and B.S.

TONEWOODS IS ALWAYS RIGHT, BECAUSE SCIENCE!
 
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I wonder if Scott Olsen would let me 'borrow' his phpMyAdmin logon details for a bit... :naughty:
 
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Brian Griffin said:
Whether you think Mr. Wood is an ass or an angel, you should at least agree to a degree that he definitely opens up new ideas to us! I am better educated reading his arguments than Orpheo's useless rehash on SD blog.
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Why are you dragging Orpheo into this? Jealousy is always a bitter pill I guess.
 
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Self proclaimed tonewood champions are delusional. Period. Take the ****ing test and see if you can put up an NGD if you get all 5 right.
 
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SnakeAces said:
Why are you dragging Orpheo into this? Jealousy is always a bitter pill I guess.
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His articles are lame and I am sure a lot of people think so but they keep it to themselves. Okay forget Orpheo, let's keep our focus tight.
 
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Tonewoods
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Bugger he's been banned . I was going ask him if this was the usual rhetoric of tonewood sceptics.

Adherents to Tonewoodism attribute seemingly magical traits to the wood of their guitar and its affect on the signal produced.
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it's from an old thread here -
- https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...ickup-advice&p=3406321&viewfull=1#post3406321 -

It's in the pickup room.
 
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regardless of what he had to say, if you call people morons and continuously insult people you cant play here
 
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