A Gear Thread..mostly for the "older" crowd

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C'mon Skarey :laugh2: ...So what you are saying is: it's OK for some guy to re-hash blues for the past 40 years... But not someone re-hashing an "art form" you don't care for? (personally I don't see music as an art form, but whatever..)

God knows I am totally sick of the umpteenth performer who sounds like the love-child of SRV and Hendrix, but I'm no Ceasar and it's not my place to give a "thumbs down" or a "thumbs up" in the Arena.

Well, technically you do with every dollar you spend.

And I'm with you...I've just about stopped going to Blues Jams because I'm tired of hearing folks slam through renditions of "Pride and Joy" and "Cocaine."

But I do like showing up to shows from cats like Duke Robillard and Ronnie Earl, performers that a modern spin on the Blues while still being able to draw attention to the original performers and show a real reverence for them as well.

And were getting to a point where the Blues is starting down the path that Jazz has. It's becoming something that folks are understanding is important to culture and history and preserving it and making available venues for performers that appreciate and play it.

And whether you like it music IS art.

We WILL look back at this era and will find the recorded music to be as intrinsic to understanding culture and history as the written word and paintings, sculpture, etc.

*begin segue*

....and this is where I see alot of the wheat being separated from the chaff in the realm of instruments from that era. Everyone makes the designation that all 70's Strats were boat anchors. It was a nice thing for me to believe until I got ahold of my featherweight 73'. I got told for years that my first-year Squier Tele was a knock-off...but the proof was in the pudding and all this time later I'm still playing it and finding that others have also come to that conclusion despite the fact that it was made in Japan.

There was alot of garbage...there still is! "Vintage" doesn't always mean good and shopping the market means you're willing to be at a disadvantage BECAUSE of folks like us that when they get ahold of something great, they hold onto it, and remove it from that pool of gear that can be purchased.

Plywood guitars will always be garbage. The major change I see now is that the instruments that were MIJ folks now realize weren't always sub-standard. Were fortunate to have those instruments to be able to choose from for a reasonable price still!
 
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The only reason I see a bunch of that gear become "vintage" in the positive sense is sentimentality. There was plenty of good gear being made and certainly the bulk of it is still more than useable but to achieve some kind of elevated status becuase it was from that era seems a bit odd to me.
 
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....snipped alot of stuff....

Thanks...good stuff you posted here :bigthumb:

The only reason I see a bunch of that gear become "vintage" in the positive sense is sentimentality. There was plenty of good gear being made and certainly the bulk of it is still more than useable but to achieve some kind of elevated status becuase it was from that era seems a bit odd to me.

I think you and possibly Skarey may have misunderstood me...

Its not that the 80s was some magical decade for gear..I'm not saying that at all...

What I'm saying is regardless of the decade, it seems alot of the stuff that used to get crapped on by alot of people, is now being realized as alot better than we thought it was at the time.....I think it's more true of this late 70s early 80s gear..especially as regards to import guitars at least because this was a time when imports REALLY started to flood the US market...this was Japans golden age...the "lawsuit" years..but at the time...this was when america was still reeling from Japanese cars....and everything else "import"...so alot of really nice stuff was overlooked.

Gear from the 50s and 60s is beyond almost anyone's reach...and the 70s era amps and guitars are getting up there too where its not affordable for most people...metalfaces..JMPs...Strats...Norlins...getting priced out of reach...and now people are looking into the next decade and looking for the jems there...which just happens to be the 80s....and people are realizing this stuff wasn't so bad (in the general sense), and in alot of cases REALLY good.

am I making sense? :blackeye:
 
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I think you and possibly Skarey may have misunderstood me...

Its not that the 80s was some magical decade for gear..I'm not saying that at all...

What I'm saying is regardless of the decade, it seems alot of the stuff that used to get crapped on by alot of people, is now being realized as alot better than we thought it was at the time.....I think it's more true of this late 70s early 80s gear..especially as regards to import guitars at least because this was a time when imports REALLY started to flood the US market...this was Japans golden age...the "lawsuit" years..but at the time...this was when america was still reeling from Japanese cars....and everything else "import"...so alot of really nice stuff was overlooked.

I think you've got all the elements there...

There's a great story from the 60's where some Japanese company handed Hendrix a Strat clone. He played it for about ten minutes and just destroyed the thing. They just didn't have it together to make something that was going to be good enough. They didn't have it down.

In the 80's I think there was still alot of mis-trust and underlying racism. Those that were the ones whose words we trusted about gear we really found out were blowing smoke for the most part. When I got my Squier everyone told me that it would hold me until I could afford a "real" guitar, ya know, one made in America.

There was a generalized assessment of gear based on its country of origin, and it was generally negative.

Obviously, that was incorrect. But we never would of found that out had the gear not had the test of time. It's 20 years down the road and there are folks like me that own MIA's and find that out MIJ's from that era keep up and, at times, even surpass.

Gear from the 50s and 60s is beyond almost anyone's reach...and the 70s era amps and guitars are getting up there too where its not affordable for most people...metalfaces..JMPs...Strats...Norlins...getting priced out of reach...and now people are looking into the next decade and looking for the jems there...which just happens to be the 80s....and people are realizing this stuff wasn't so bad (in the general sense), and in alot of cases REALLY good.

am I making sense? :blackeye:

It makes perfect sense. What's going to be strange is that when the baby-boomers get older and start unloading the 50's and 60's gear the market is going to get interesting!
 
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Hello 80's :smokin: Epiphone Bich with the sweetest neck for shred, coil taps, phase switch and 9 volt battery pre-amp boost, everyone who played it offered to buy it and I almost sold it every time, But luckily I didn't :fingersx:

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Gallien-Krueger 250RL Head and a GK 2x12 Cab, and a Les Paul sounded killer
through this rig.

Wish I still had the GK 2x12 cab, I traded it in for a GK 4x12 cab that was never as good as the 2x12 :smack:

Had a chance to buy a Marshall head and 4x12 for cheap but I passed
because I thought it was getting old and wouldn't hold its value :yell:
what a dumbass

The one good thing about getting older is my equipment is vintage, too! :laugh2:
 
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What makes a piece desirable?

The old 80's analog Delays are the best, they just can't seem to make them like that anymore.

I felt most old Japanese guitars were crap. I grew up playing guitars that were made of pressboard or mystery wood, the necks bowed to 2" at the 12th fret, wouldn't stay in tune, 40 switches, crappy pots pickups and wiring... Sorry, they're garbage to me- if you like them, fine- enjoy them.

Peavey Bandit, Backstage Plus... if you want one- go for it.

CBS Fenders/Norlin Gibsons... Sure there's some nice pieces here and there- but, sight unseen, I'd rather have a recent or relatively recent piece over anything from back then. When I got to the point where I was buying a lot of guitars, LP Deluxes were all over the place- $600 was paying WAY too much. I played Norlin LPs because I had to- they were affordable- the only CBS Fender I owned was such a steaming pile of doody I will never own another one.

So much of what is desirable is because of nostalgia, people going after the next big collectable piece, and the sheep that believe everything they're told, but not for the properties that SHOULD make it desirable. Do you want a Norlin LP because you're looking for a 12 lb boat anchor? Do you want a 3 Bolt Tele Custom because you like the "adventure" of having the neck slip out at odd times? You really dig that pure solid state crunch of the Peavey Bandit? Fine... But to fork out stupid money simply because it's "a 70s guitar" is... well... stupid.
 
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I'm not looking to get rich off 80's gear, but there's certain gems I look for, just to have fun with, then resell for more. In reality, the 90's would have been the ideal time to buy most of it.

Fender early 80's 57/62 Reissue strats/teles. Now that the wood has aged like 50's strats/teles, the price has shot up. $600 strats are now $1800.

Lexicon rack units. If you look hard enough, you'll find people selling these for a fraction of what they're worth. Even 80s/90s reverb/delays from the PCM series are better than todays average stuff.

Marshall 800's, Jubilee's, JMP's. I'm always looking for a giveaway price on one of these. One thing of great interest to me is modded JMP's and 800's, who were done by someone with a name like Lee Jackson, Tim Caswell, Jose Arredondo, Alan Cear, Jabco Mods....espcecially if they used existing holes for the mods, rather than messing up the front panel.

Jacksons and Charvels. They're not my forte' but I wouldn't hesitate to grab a bargain, and flip it for easy cash. My first priority would be std colored Soloists and Dinkys from US or Japan.

Discontinued Boss and Ibanez pedals. It's funny to see people on Ebay flipping these for easy money. Buy it for $30, sell it for $160.

Lawsuit Ibanez's. Not as big as I thought they'd be, but a minty LP, Explorer, V copy for cheap is a good score.

ADA MP-1, Flanger or Final Phase. Not many bargains to be found. The cat is outta the bag.

Gibson Pre-Historic Custom Shops. Hard to find bargains on these too, but if you do, you can make $1000 in one week.

Mesa classics in minty condition. Blue Angels, Subway Rockets, MKI, MKII, MKIIC+, MKIV, Tremoverbs, Triaxis, 290, 295. Collectors will pay more attention to these in about another 10 or 20 years.

Most 80's Fender amps are pretty average, but I keep my eye on Rivera designed 'II' models. Also, Silverfaced Princetons, Pros, and Deluxes from the 70's. Most of the 80s stuff is 'red knob/gray front' which I don't think will ever command high prices.
 
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How many of us, day in and day out say on thse forums.."I'm sure glad we have gear like we do now, compared to how it used to be back in the 80s..stuff is SOOOO much better these days"...


I've never said that. I prefer my early 80's G&L's over any modern guitar on the market, including new G&L's.


Sprinter
 
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Discontinued Boss and Ibanez pedals. It's funny to see people on Ebay flipping these for easy money. Buy it for $30, sell it for $160.

I've got an Ibanez chorus I'm dying to unload. I bought it because I had one in the 80's. Damned if I found a train of logic past that though.

Lawsuit Ibanez's. Not as big as I thought they'd be, but a minty LP, Explorer, V copy for cheap is a good score.

I've watched the prices on them stabalize alot as of a few years ago. I think the Greco and Burny secret got out and alot of folks realized they could get the same thing for much less.

ADA MP-1, Flanger or Final Phase. Not many bargains to be found. The cat is outta the bag.

Weird...I picked up an MP-1 at GC years ago for udner a hundred bucks. They had a stack of them they couldn't get rid of.

Most 80's Fender amps are pretty average, but I keep my eye on Rivera designed 'II' models. Also, Silverfaced Princetons, Pros, and Deluxes from the 70's. Most of the 80s stuff is 'red knob/gray front' which I don't think will ever command high prices.
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I agree. As much as folks lump them in I think they're very much a good example of gear that just wasn't really all that great despite the name attached to them. The Rivera-era stuff is just getting stupid. I'm sitting on a PRII that I know was bought for less than 2 bills six years ago.

The silverface stuff got pricey once the blackface stuff got scarce and folks realized that they could be modified back to the blackface specs, and modders doing that weren't total butchers about it. That helped alot.
 
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I've got an Ibanez chorus I'm dying to unload. I bought it because I had one in the 80's. Damned if I found a train of logic past that though.

And I like my CS-9 better than any newer choruses- save maybe an OLD TC Electronics.
 
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I scored my mint Jubilee fullstack for $1400 in the year 2000, and now those heads alone are going for $1900. I plan on keeping it as a fun collectible I can play, but I'd never take it out of the house. Maybe someday, I'll cash out of it for $8000-$10,000, when the only mint one with both matching cabs is the one I have.

Joe, for the record, I hate you.

J/K... love ya bro.
 
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I think it's based on the buyer's age.

The generation of 80's teens (my generation) is entering into its prime earning years. Kids are growing up & moving out, incomes are higher, more disposable income, & the midlife crisis looms. We're going to buy the stuff we drooled over but couldn't afford as teens, & our teen years just happened to be the 80's.
 
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In the year 2025, if any of us are still alive, my Celtic gear is going to be priceless...










Wait a minute, if Scott_F stops building them, they become priceless overnight!










Scott: Are you retiring soon?
 
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The generation of 80's teens (my generation) is entering into its prime earning years. Kids are growing up & moving out, incomes are higher, more disposable income, & the midlife crisis looms. We're going to buy the stuff we drooled over but couldn't afford as teens, & our teen years just happened to be the 80's.

That would make me the poster boy - 'cept the kids ain't moving out for awhile.
 
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I think it's based on the buyer's age.

The generation of 80's teens (my generation) is entering into its prime earning years. Kids are growing up & moving out, incomes are higher, more disposable income, & the midlife crisis looms. We're going to buy the stuff we drooled over but couldn't afford as teens, & our teen years just happened to be the 80's.

To a certain degree I think that has some truth to it.

But then I know alot of folks like myself that went back and acquired that gear we drooled over and have realized that we've evolved as players past that. The next phase was, of course, unloading it.
 
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All this just makes me wonder....if some of these so called "cheap" guitars are going more double or even more than what their worth or what was originally paid for them back in the day....does that mean that there is a chance that today's MIM Fenders will someday reach that status? I think i speak for alot of people here when i say that these guitars ARE of a moderate/decent quality...no less than most of the "plywood garbage" that has been mentioned so far in this thread.

Does anyone see any market at all for these MIM Fenders in the next 15-20-25 years?

If so...I'll make sure mine stay in good condition so i can unload them on some kid in 2027 for $1200 each. HaHa :smile:
 
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Yeah you just have to wait until your guitar's birthday sounds "vintage" and not just "old". Like my guitars are all from 98...and I remember that year. It wasn't really a good or a cool year, I think I was in like the sixth grade, playin lots of Nintendo 64...Korn was my favorite band...see none of that stuff is vintage either ahahah it's still old and lame. Now in 2037 when I can say they're all from 'just before the turn of the century' I bet my Strats and SG will seem a lot more desirable...

It's kind of nice to think the things you've invested so much in could actually be worth it in the long run...heh. Of course having nice stuff to play on makes it worth it right now so it's all gravy :D

-X
 
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All I have to add to this whole kerfuffle is that I have an MXR Stereo Chorus that I bought used back in '82. It's the yellow one so it's probably mid-70's so maybe it's a little too old to qualify for this discussion. But I like it because it's like a huge boost -- you stomp the pedal and suddenly the sound is wider than the Great Plains, and with a bright clear tone -- and I've never heard another stereo chorus anything like it. Most of them sound even weaker when you stomp them on and the tone is warbly/muddy.

That said, I'm really curious about the new MXR Stereo Chorus with the extra bells and whistles.
 
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