A5 Jazzn to A2 Jazzn

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Swilly

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I know best way to find out is do it and see for myself but just asking,

Forgetting, terms like "blooming", "crunchy", etc for a minute, what would this swap do to the EQ: bass up 1-2, treb down 1-2, mid?


Still planning on doing this in my Esquire when I get the componenets but just wondering while I wait.

I know the winds and output matter but also wondering if two HB pickups had an output of 8.0 and EQ was 7/5/7 on both for example, what else makes the diff sound. I know this is probably in the forum somewhere but I havent seen it. Can't all be black magic or it would be difficult for a model to sound consistent from unit to uinit.
 
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Swilly said:
I know the winds and output matter but also wondering if two HB pickups had an output of 8.0 and EQ was 7/5/7 on both for example, what else makes the diff sound. I know this is probably in the forum somewhere but I havent seen it. Can't all be black magic or it would be difficult for a model to sound consistent from unit to uinit.
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Not sure I follow you, An output of 8.0? Where do you see a listing for an output? Or do you mean the DC resistance? Resistance doesnt equal output. I can take a your same Jazz pickup and slap a ceramic in it and up the output and the resistance will stay the same. The output is a summation of many thing. The mass thats vibrating in the magnetic field... the strength of the field and the amount of wire in the inductor.

The eq numbers are just a suggestion and are only provided as a rough guideline. Many nuances of pickups cannot be charted on the BMT scale. Like the JB's upper mid spike doesnt show up on a BMT but is a integral part of that pickups character.


Many things can make a differrence in the sound. The gauge of the wire used... the type of insulation on the wire, the tension used to wind the wire, the pattern that the wire is wound in. The type of bobbin that the wire is wound on has a small but real effect on the sound. Just like the material of the baseplate can effect the eddy currents and have a very small effect on sound. The material used in the screws and slugs influences the sound. The length of the screws matters too. The type of magnet also makes a difference. The last time i ordered mags the place I was ordering from was offering 5 different grades of alnico 5. Many things can change the sound in small ways.
 
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Good info Egecrusher (thank you), I did mean resistance. Just wanting to learn more about what makes pickups different. I know amp settings, pick attack, fret hand make diff too, trying to sort out all of the differences in what seem like very similar pickups.

I have the Jazz so I am going to fool around with magnet swaps first to see the tone changes.

Appreciate the feedback on the A2Pro too. I've done quite a few searches on Jazz mag swaps and there is quite some debate about the A2 Jazz being same as A2Pro, not quite 50/50 and not trying to revive those posts - the world may never know, except the guys who actually do the swap and can actually hear a difference.
 
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No, Duncan have in fact officially confirmed the A2 Jazz=A2pro is 100% correct.

The wind is very important to the tone....its the largest aspect of the triumvirate, the other two being wire gauge and magnet type. The tone chart is a gross generalisation, and should not be taken for any more than a very rough guide.
 
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AlexR said:
No, Duncan have in fact officially confirmed the A2 Jazz=A2pro is 100% correct.
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^^^ this ^^^


More to the point, someone that used to work at Seymour Duncan had previously said when they were still at Seymour Duncan they were running down an option for an artist that had to do with putting an A5 in an A2P, when MJ confirmed that model already existed as the Jazz model. There is a thread about it around here somewhere.


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I believe it was Evan talking about bumping the output of the Alnico 2 PRO for Slash by swapping in an Alnico 5 and MJ reminded him that he'd just created the Jazz (which already existed). It seems understandable given the tone out output of both pickups.
Off topic, but I've got a Jazz/59 Hybrid neck pickup with an Alnico 2 in my PRS and it's very sweet and smooth: really good Slash tone.
 
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SoundAt11 said:
I believe it was Evan talking about bumping the output of the Alnico 2 PRO for Slash by swapping in an Alnico 5 and MJ reminded him that he'd just created the Jazz (which already existed). It seems understandable given the tone out output of both pickups.
Off topic, but I've got a Jazz/59 Hybrid neck pickup with an Alnico 2 in my PRS and it's very sweet and smooth: really good Slash tone.
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https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...J-wound-Alnico-II-pro-from-1986-to-2013/page5

That epic quote/comment is in this thread! :)
 
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i have an a2 jazz in the neck of my 175.
the mag swap smoothed off the tops, thickened up the top two stings. rolled back the bass a little. warmed things up. made it feel more forgiving.
i like it.
 
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SoundAt11 said:
I believe it was Evan talking about bumping the output of the Alnico 2 PRO for Slash by swapping in an Alnico 5 and MJ reminded him that he'd just created the Jazz (which already existed).
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That's it. I was just trying to be polite by not getting too specific with all the names, considering it seemed like a bit of a slip to have let loose of that info. However....now that the info is out there.... I dunno, do you think many boutique shops and home brew winders jump on things like that when the bigger companies reveal some of the secret sauce?


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Which begs the question: What if one were to go the opposite direction and put a double thick ceramic in a Jazz? Not necessarily in the neck of course.
 
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Seems to me that if you did it to a bridge version, you would get thick bottom and a screaming sizzlely top end that would be even brighter than a Distortion. For some genres, that might work great.
 
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Ceramic mags are great for thick toned pickups, they allow the pickup to be more attuned to the highs which is something the wire and amount of turns will not do well at responding to. The lows will also be controlled and tight.

Put this on a low output pickup which has a clear, present character and you emphasise everything that the pickup already has, and subdue the range that the pickup needs a hand in.
 
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