About Jackson?
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Zerberus
Baron Von Shred
Re: About Jackson?
Dude, I´ve never seen a 3000$ soloist outside of the custom shop, I honestly have no Idea where some of these prices you guys keep quoting come from. But they´re most certainly not from Earth.... 3000$ is even higher than the MSRP.
For example: Minimum Advertised Price on a brand spanking New black SL-1 is 1849.99. But the actual sale price from any decent dealer (Not MF /GF /M123 et.al) is about another 10-20% lower than that. Much closer to 1600 than 1800...
Sales price used is about , as you say, 1200$ in good condition.
So, we have (1600 - 1200) /1600= 25%, which is such an unbelievably standard depreciation that most people wouldn´t even notice
I´m sorry, but I will believe this when I see it and not a second earlier. Primarily because no professional series guitars were ever manufactured outside of Japan, and every DK-2 I´ve ever seen has a big "made in Japan" sticker on the heel.
The guitar could actually well be 10 years old, as that´s when the DK-2 was introduced. But it was never a MIK product. If there truly IS a MIK sticker on there, somebody placed it there or the component it is applied to is likely not original to the guitar...
Dude, I´ve never seen a 3000$ soloist outside of the custom shop, I honestly have no Idea where some of these prices you guys keep quoting come from. But they´re most certainly not from Earth.... 3000$ is even higher than the MSRP.
For example: Minimum Advertised Price on a brand spanking New black SL-1 is 1849.99. But the actual sale price from any decent dealer (Not MF /GF /M123 et.al) is about another 10-20% lower than that. Much closer to 1600 than 1800...
Sales price used is about , as you say, 1200$ in good condition.
So, we have (1600 - 1200) /1600= 25%, which is such an unbelievably standard depreciation that most people wouldn´t even notice
The professional series was never manufactured outside of the Chin Su Gakki factory in japan. The only Jacksons ever produced in Korea were the performers in ´96-´97, and the resulting instruments were the main reason that Jackson closed this facility so quickly and has not looked back since.
I´m sorry, but I will believe this when I see it and not a second earlier. Primarily because no professional series guitars were ever manufactured outside of Japan, and every DK-2 I´ve ever seen has a big "made in Japan" sticker on the heel.
The guitar could actually well be 10 years old, as that´s when the DK-2 was introduced. But it was never a MIK product. If there truly IS a MIK sticker on there, somebody placed it there or the component it is applied to is likely not original to the guitar...
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KeeperOS
Active member
Re: About Jackson?
It has been several months since I saw it but I'm pretty sure it was new (or NOS).
I am certain the salesperson said it was Korea (he could be wrong) but I also remember a gold w/black letters sticker saying Korea.
I think I'm gonna take another stroll there and check again, only problem I've been there so many times I'm running out of excuses...
It has been several months since I saw it but I'm pretty sure it was new (or NOS).
I am certain the salesperson said it was Korea (he could be wrong) but I also remember a gold w/black letters sticker saying Korea.
I think I'm gonna take another stroll there and check again, only problem I've been there so many times I'm running out of excuses...
uOpt
Something Cool
Re: About Jackson?
The list price for the Soloist SL1 is $2750-2850. OK, not 3000 but close. I can't find any under $1850 online. Still, used is much lower. The ratio between asked price and used price is lower than e.g. for Gibson.
The list price for the Soloist SL1 is $2750-2850. OK, not 3000 but close. I can't find any under $1850 online. Still, used is much lower. The ratio between asked price and used price is lower than e.g. for Gibson.
vinterland
New member
Re: About Jackson?
The 1850 is MAP pricing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously re-read Zerbs post above. I know a retailer that sells them new for 1350, and most are around 1500-1600 or so I see.
You totally seem to be stuck on resale value as well. Do you just buy guitars based on resale value?
The 1850 is MAP pricing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously re-read Zerbs post above. I know a retailer that sells them new for 1350, and most are around 1500-1600 or so I see.
You totally seem to be stuck on resale value as well. Do you just buy guitars based on resale value?
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jmh151
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veryhungrycaterpilla
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Re: About Jackson?
I had a made in Japan Jackson Fusion Pro. I hate FR trems due to string changes. So I sold the guitar. I still off and on kick myself for selling that awesome playing and sounding guitar.:sigh:
I had a made in Japan Jackson Fusion Pro. I hate FR trems due to string changes. So I sold the guitar. I still off and on kick myself for selling that awesome playing and sounding guitar.:sigh:
KeeperOS
Active member
Re: About Jackson?
Ok, I went to the shop today, they only had a DKMG that was Japan but they told be (both persons there) that the DK-2 that comes here (up until now anyway) is Korea, not Japan.
I told them that it was supposed to be Japan and they were as baffled as I am.
They said they'll get some more in a couple of months and we'll see then.
In the meantime does anyone know of someone I could verify this with?
I'm talking about the previous DK2s, the ones with Duncan Designed pickups.
Ok, I went to the shop today, they only had a DKMG that was Japan but they told be (both persons there) that the DK-2 that comes here (up until now anyway) is Korea, not Japan.
I told them that it was supposed to be Japan and they were as baffled as I am.
They said they'll get some more in a couple of months and we'll see then.
In the meantime does anyone know of someone I could verify this with?
I'm talking about the previous DK2s, the ones with Duncan Designed pickups.
uOpt
Something Cool
Re: About Jackson?
I really don't want to get into an argument, but I haven't seen a Soloist SL1 or SL2H for anywhere close to $1350.
I am not buying my guitars just by resell value. However, when calculating how much I would spend on a guitar I don't ignore that factor. A $1600 guitar might come out more expensive than a $2000 guitar if reselling is only possible at a low price, or even not at all at a decent price. As a general rule, I only keep guitars that I am really attached to, so every time I get a new one there is one going out the door. You can "rotate" pretty expensive guitars that way if they are well-liked by buyers of used guitars.
As a general observation, heavy metal guitarists using Superstrats seem to be more eager to buy a brand new guitar than players from other genres who like vintage or pseudo-vintage style guitar. That cuts down on the used prices. Exceptions apply, such as all the people who used to like e.g. Charvels in the 80ties and are now getting the real thing they couldn't afford at the time.
I really don't want to get into an argument, but I haven't seen a Soloist SL1 or SL2H for anywhere close to $1350.
I am not buying my guitars just by resell value. However, when calculating how much I would spend on a guitar I don't ignore that factor. A $1600 guitar might come out more expensive than a $2000 guitar if reselling is only possible at a low price, or even not at all at a decent price. As a general rule, I only keep guitars that I am really attached to, so every time I get a new one there is one going out the door. You can "rotate" pretty expensive guitars that way if they are well-liked by buyers of used guitars.
As a general observation, heavy metal guitarists using Superstrats seem to be more eager to buy a brand new guitar than players from other genres who like vintage or pseudo-vintage style guitar. That cuts down on the used prices. Exceptions apply, such as all the people who used to like e.g. Charvels in the 80ties and are now getting the real thing they couldn't afford at the time.
Zerberus
Baron Von Shred
Re: About Jackson?
One last time for everybody that still doesn´t understand how Jackson and Seymour Duncan prices (from US dealers!) work after all these years and explanations:
Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price (aka. MSRP or "Retail"): Exactly that, a SUGGESTION, but a priice that nobody ever pays unless they´re absolutely new to earth or very desperate for that particular product.
Minimum Advertised Price (aka. MAP for short): The absolute minimum that the product can be advertised at, in print, internet or other media, including the sticker /Tag on the guitar. BTW this also includes people posting their sales price online in forums, which is the main reason that nobody will tell you exactly who sold them their USA Jackson for under 1500$. This is also the price that most big box stores charge.
Actual sale price: The really good deal that you get when you get your lazy ass off the MF site and on the phone to a good reputable dealer such as www.mattsmusic.com, www.themusiczoo.com, www.vwallguitars.com or www.onlinestagegear.com. These are the exact prices that nobody posts online, esp. not with direct reference to the dealer, because they can literally lose their dealership over someone posting price and dealer
Again, even the earliest DK2s (which were 100% identical in spec to the current ones save that the new ones have duncans and a slightly improved trem) were MIJ. I sold literally dozens the first few years while I still had my shop, because over here the Import-USA price gap is significantly larger than unthe USA. The Korean plant was closed down in ´98 and took the resulting crappy "Performer" line with it (the first year of performers were the successor to the "Concept" series, and were also MIJ as well as good guitars. The korean plant just flat out sucked :laugh2: ).
JCMI currently operates manufacturing facilities in the USA (Jackson USA Select, Jackson Custom Shop, Charvel, Grover Jackson USA), Japan (Pro series, MG series, X series, Pro Series Artist Signatures, Jackson Stars, Grover Jackson) and India (JS Series).
If you want to verify this, you can send a letter to
JCMI
Attn: Customer Support
8860 E. Chaparral Road, Suite 100
Scottsdale, AZ 85250
and hope for an answer.
Otherwise the Jackson/Charvel Forum @ www.jcfonline.com is the best resource on Jackson guitars on the net. Most of us have been afficionados and /or collectors for significantly longer than the current pro series has been around, and many of us have inside contacts as well
One last time for everybody that still doesn´t understand how Jackson and Seymour Duncan prices (from US dealers!) work after all these years and explanations:
Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price (aka. MSRP or "Retail"): Exactly that, a SUGGESTION, but a priice that nobody ever pays unless they´re absolutely new to earth or very desperate for that particular product.
Minimum Advertised Price (aka. MAP for short): The absolute minimum that the product can be advertised at, in print, internet or other media, including the sticker /Tag on the guitar. BTW this also includes people posting their sales price online in forums, which is the main reason that nobody will tell you exactly who sold them their USA Jackson for under 1500$. This is also the price that most big box stores charge.
Actual sale price: The really good deal that you get when you get your lazy ass off the MF site and on the phone to a good reputable dealer such as www.mattsmusic.com, www.themusiczoo.com, www.vwallguitars.com or www.onlinestagegear.com. These are the exact prices that nobody posts online, esp. not with direct reference to the dealer, because they can literally lose their dealership over someone posting price and dealer
Again, even the earliest DK2s (which were 100% identical in spec to the current ones save that the new ones have duncans and a slightly improved trem) were MIJ. I sold literally dozens the first few years while I still had my shop, because over here the Import-USA price gap is significantly larger than unthe USA. The Korean plant was closed down in ´98 and took the resulting crappy "Performer" line with it (the first year of performers were the successor to the "Concept" series, and were also MIJ as well as good guitars. The korean plant just flat out sucked :laugh2: ).
JCMI currently operates manufacturing facilities in the USA (Jackson USA Select, Jackson Custom Shop, Charvel, Grover Jackson USA), Japan (Pro series, MG series, X series, Pro Series Artist Signatures, Jackson Stars, Grover Jackson) and India (JS Series).
If you want to verify this, you can send a letter to
JCMI
Attn: Customer Support
8860 E. Chaparral Road, Suite 100
Scottsdale, AZ 85250
and hope for an answer.
Otherwise the Jackson/Charvel Forum @ www.jcfonline.com is the best resource on Jackson guitars on the net. Most of us have been afficionados and /or collectors for significantly longer than the current pro series has been around, and many of us have inside contacts as well
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vinterland
New member
Re: About Jackson?
Well good cause they sell them wayyyy cheaper than you claim all the time. We can't help it if you only go by musicians friend pricing. And as Zerb explained I'm not going to post said prices for certain retailers... it's a guitarist code that everyone should abide by.
Well good cause they sell them wayyyy cheaper than you claim all the time. We can't help it if you only go by musicians friend pricing. And as Zerb explained I'm not going to post said prices for certain retailers... it's a guitarist code that everyone should abide by.
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daemon barbeque
Zuhahahaologist
Re: About Jackson?
Werd!
Contact Matt from Mattsmusic (see the link on Zerb's post)..or Guitar Zoo...Both have great prices ,and cool to make business..Friendly and helpfull!But most important...Reliable and Fair priced!
Werd!
Contact Matt from Mattsmusic (see the link on Zerb's post)..or Guitar Zoo...Both have great prices ,and cool to make business..Friendly and helpfull!But most important...Reliable and Fair priced!
