Accept "Balls to the Wall" = Tubescreamer into Marshall?

There is definitely something about an amp in the room, hard to replace air with electrons. I don't remember the last time I played through a real amp, which kinda makes me sad. I had a rack system that was heaven, those old Kasha Rockmod preamps are amazing, then running in stereo through a couple of big 2-12s, sniff (Dan Huff was another Rockmod user, and he can really play)... I had a Soldano HR50+ back in the day, loved that amp too.

Sorry for the short nostalgia detour, back to the regularly scheduled program.

And yes, I play through my GT-1000 and it sounds decent, then I plug in my pedalboard with the AMT on it and there is just something about analog...
 
devastone said:
There is definitely something about an amp in the room, hard to replace air with electrons. I don't remember the last time I played through a real amp, which kinda makes me sad. I had a rack system that was heaven, those old Kasha Rockmod preamps are amazing, then running in stereo through a couple of big 2-12s, sniff (Dan Huff was another Rockmod user, and he can really play)... I had a Soldano HR50+ back in the day, loved that amp too.

Sorry for the short nostalgia detour, back to the regularly scheduled program.

And yes, I play through my GT-1000 and it sounds decent, then I plug in my pedalboard with the AMT on it and there is just something about analog...
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Honestly, I don't have huge expectations for the GT-1000 core -there's so much cool about it -BUT I've listened to the A/B tests on line and I rarely prefer it over whatever it's being compared to .... But I told my guy -send it and I'll evaluate -as I'm hoping my builds on the GT1000 are more to my liking than the demos using preset chains onlines.

Also, no one seems to be using it for a subtle amount of effect in the you tube demos -most demos are so beyond processed to the fullest -like an 80s NAMM show studio session cock rocker in a booth. so I'm not getting a good analog for what my use would be anyways.. it shows up tomorrow.
 
NegativeEase said:
By the way -I did A/B tests recording using a JCM800 4x12 (with only one close miked mic) and a Strymon Iridium direct with Marshall and all three cabinet options -if you just heard the Iridium -you'd love it -it's sounds great for what it is -but up against the real thing -there really isn't a comparison.. There's a fundamental -I'll call it "Dimensionality" missing from the pedal versus the big boy..

I was actually a little sad -as I though the IR stuff would be a little closer.

But still good and serviceable.
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I've found what helps (and not just a placebo effect) with these non-tube amp sims (stompbox, plugin or otherwise - digital/analog/whatever) which are close to the real deal, is to put a little real tube magic in the signal path.

Hence, I will use my UA 2-610 (with NOS Mullard 12AX7s and CV4004s on both channels) either before or after the amp sim (could be a stomp a la AMT, could be a plugin a la VST or UAD or Mercuriall); crank the input gain up and get real tube gooeyness in the signal path.
 
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LLL said:
I've found what helps (and not just a placebo effect) with these non-tube amp sims (stompbox, plugin or otherwise - digital/analog/whatever) which are close to the real deal, is to put a little real tube magic in the signal path.

Hence, I will use my UA 2-610 (with NOS Mullard 12AX7s and CV4004s on both channels) either before or after the amp sim (could be a stomp a la AMT, could be a plugin a la VST or UAD or Mercuriall); crank the input gain up and get real tube gooeyness in the signal path.
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The first pedal I ever built with my dad in the 80s was an overdrive with a 12AX7 in it -I should throw that in the chain in various places and see the effect

SO the depth or dimensionality quality I'm referring to -you are apparently familiar -figured you would be since you are the forum subject matter expert on this topic and probably run into all kinds of workarounds to harnessing the beauty of new tech advantages with old tech quality and vice versa.
 
NegativeEase said:
The first pedal I ever built with my dad in the 80s was an overdrive with a 12AX7 in it -I should throw that in the chain in various places and see the effect

SO the depth or dimensionality quality I'm referring to -you are apparently familiar -figured you would be since you are the forum subject matter expert on this topic and probably run into all kinds of workarounds to harnessing the beauty of new tech advantages with old tech quality and vice versa.
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I'm no subject matter expert - I'm a crazed evil mad scientist with a good pair of ears. buaahahahahahahaaaa
 
LLL said:
I've found what helps (and not just a placebo effect) with these non-tube amp sims (stompbox, plugin or otherwise - digital/analog/whatever) which are close to the real deal, is to put a little real tube magic in the signal path.

Hence, I will use my UA 2-610 (with NOS Mullard 12AX7s and CV4004s on both channels) either before or after the amp sim (could be a stomp a la AMT, could be a plugin a la VST or UAD or Mercuriall); crank the input gain up and get real tube gooeyness in the signal path.
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Not exactly practical for plugging into the PA to play live. Of course, after it goes through the board, the IEM mixer and IEMs, you're often lucky to just be able to hear yourself. Our Presonus system went down last night and took 2 hours to be back to almost usable, definitely not thrilled with the earmix system we have, not sure if the problem is hardware, software, or primate.
 
devastone said:
Not exactly practical for plugging into the PA to play live. Of course, after it goes through the board, the IEM mixer and IEMs, you're often lucky to just be able to hear yourself. Our Presonus system went down last night and took 2 hours to be back to almost usable, definitely not thrilled with the earmix system we have, not sure if the problem is hardware, software, or primate.
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So you are saying the IEM died and the rose from the dead miraculously?
 
devastone said:
Not exactly practical for plugging into the PA to play live. Of course, after it goes through the board, the IEM mixer and IEMs, you're often lucky to just be able to hear yourself. Our Presonus system went down last night and took 2 hours to be back to almost usable, definitely not thrilled with the earmix system we have, not sure if the problem is hardware, software, or primate.
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Oh, typically used for studio. Although surely there's a non-starved-plate 12AX7 sort of unit out there that is portable (small tube preamp) that could be utilized live.

I've never been subjected to IEM type staging thankfully. I'm not a fan of that concept... don't think music is supposed be presented in an ultra-quiet, sterile pinky-finger-up sort of environment... I get it but don't agree - I mean if they want that kind of listening enviro then just tune a radio to contemporary christian and pipe it through the PA. I mean hell, classical concerts aren't even doing that.
 
LLL said:
Oh, typically used for studio. Although surely there's a non-starved-plate 12AX7 sort of unit out there that is portable (small tube preamp) that could be utilized live.

I've never been subjected to IEM type staging thankfully. I'm not a fan of that concept... don't think music is supposed be presented in an ultra-quiet, sterile pinky-finger-up sort of environment... I get it but don't agree - I mean if they want that kind of listening enviro then just tune a radio to contemporary christian and pipe it through the PA. I mean hell, classical concerts aren't even doing that.
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I understand, and I don't really like IEMs and no amps either, but it is the world I deal with. But, all I have to do is plug a XLR cable into my GT, why would I want to complicate that with something else when the audience or I will not be able to tell a difference. We still do play "live" and if you see pretty much any arena band these days, they are living in IEMs, granted, I'm guessing theirs sounds worlds better than mine, but it is the way it is done now.
 
Aceman said:
I'm saying I left the bar after 20 minutes of waiting for it to get back up.
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That'd never been my move unless I can get away with it -usually if their is a problem at a venue that the soundman is having issues with, I'm volunteered or volunteer to help troubleshoot -sometimes with a guitar still on my shoulder -As I'm not good at drinking more than a couple before a gig anyways even if I've pregamed and sand bagged my liver for such a night... I lost a real tolerance 20 years ago.
 
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