Aceman's Official Which PAF? Thread

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I agree. The SD info pages list some humbuckers as having Vintage Output. Includes:

SH-18 Whole Lotta Humbucker
SH-2 Jazz Model
SH-1 59 Model
SH-55 Seth Lover Model
APH-1 Alnico II Pro
APH-2 Alnico II Slash
SHPG-1 Pearly Gates
And some Antiquities.

Those with experience of real old guitars may be able to tell the difference immediately between a PAF and a non-PAF pickup, but they are unlikely to need the help of this thread. Others asking for advice like me who have never played a Les Paul or copy of any age (except for a few minutes until decided I don't like the playing mechanics) are more likely to want a wider choice where being truer to PAF style tone is just one consideration.

Again - I really would like to see someone add Seths and WHole Lottas and Slash A2P info to this.

Vintage perhaps is what I should say.
 
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Cool.

The way I think of it is:

'59: Blocky mule kick. Cold sounding, with a severe lack of mids. That lack of midrange makes it a horrible neck pickup, being both muddy and clattery at the same time. But it's a good bridge pickup if you want lots of thick and clear crunch. Good pickup if you want lots of beef, and have the right amp to give it some much needed mids without accentuating the already-strong high end and low end. These are good pickups if you like to use lots of gain.

Jazz: An anemic version of the '59's basic tonal character...but that's a good thing. A much better pickup than the '59 IMHO, as although it is still cold, at least it isn't also beefy like the '59. Thus, it is easier to adjust the e.q. to suit. Probably the best stock A5 P.A.F. bridge pickup S.D. makes.

A2P: Beautiful and warm with low gain, thick and swampy with high gain. One of the best bridge humbuckers made by anyone. Nice and fat and grinding, but without being shrill. This is a ripping and nasty set when pushed, and a clean and beautiful set when played sweetly. Probably the most versatile S.D. P.A.F. If I had only one 2xHB guitar, these are the pickups I would have in it...and my amp would be 40-50W to match these pickups perfectly. (They need some headroom, but not too much).

PG: The perfect blend of '59 and A2P - all the good characteristics of each, while leaving behind the bad. Like putting an A2P through a nicely set up overdrive and e.q. pedal. Probably the most evil sounding S.D. P.A.F. They are both thick and clear. Almost perfect e.q. balance between B/M/T. However, they can get too distorted and lose their magic if you use lots of gain. These are better suited to pushing a clean, low-gain amp into distortion than they are to feeding an amp that will then have its gain significantly boosted at the pre-amp. These are up there with the A2P in terms of versatility, but a few clicks nastier.

Seth: Hard to describe...but awesome. Warm, yet clear. Very dynamic and responsive. Sweet sounding. Great for mild natural overdrive. Amazing neck, but overly warm bridge. Can get mushy with lots of gain. Again, better for sending a clean amp into overdrive than in an amp designed for high gain.

IMO, the best sounding S.D. P.A.F. set is a Seth neck with a PGN in the bridge position.

My overall take is that the A5 pickups are extremely weak in comparison to the A2 offerings. The A5 pickups seem to be okay for the bridge spot in some uses, but absolutely horrid in the neck spot. They are too top and bottom heavy, and a pain in the ass to match to any bridge pickup. I wouldn't lose any sleep if the A5 P.A.F.s were discontinued...but it would suck if any of the A2 ones were.
 
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Interesting views Itsa. I like your take on the A2P and the PG.

You had a bad experience with the 59, didn't you?
 
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Interesting views Itsa. I like your take on the A2P and the PG.

You had a bad experience with the 59, didn't you?

I wouldn't say a traumatic experience or anything. They're okay to me in a pinch, and with a good amp, they can be dialed in pretty well for my tastes. They're just the weakest and hardest to work with of the lot IMO. I've given the '59, N and B, many tries in many guitars. None of them stayed. The best I've got from the '59 was just recently, when I put a '59N in the bridge position. Good sounding pickup...but even so, I've got a PG on the way that is going to replace it.

My pickup experiences have led me to the general belief that A2's are better suited for lower winds, and A5's for hotter winds. For instance, I've played a few A5 humbuckers in the 10 - 13K range that I thought were great. My bandmate's SG (which used to be mine) has WLHs, which are awesome. My G&L Rampage has a great sounding A5 13K pickup. I had a Suhr SSH (A5, 12.5K or so) that I liked, though it didn't match up well with the other pickups in that guitar. But the '59's, Jazzes, and BB Pros, which are closer to a vintage wind, don't really do it for me. Serviceable pickups, but no "magic" to me.
 
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"Ones man's trash is another man's treasure."

Tom Zart, from the poem "Garage Sale"
 
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Whole Lotta Humbuckers are the quintessential sound of British Blues and Classic Rock. They do the Jimmy Page thing, they do the Allman Brothers thing, the Clapton thing. They are one of the only A5 pickups I've tried which do the slightly nasal singing quality thing (which is a really good thing). I think someone else on the forum described it best when they said that its kind of like you're hanging out in a room with Paul Kossoff, Eric Clapton and Jimmy Page and they're taking turns handing off a Les Paul and jamming, and they handed it to you. They feel a fair bit hotter than the 59's, even though they are only wound a little bit hotter, the magnet makes the strings sound louder, and the increased midrange will push your amp more. They are a touch more compressed than a lot of PAF-ier offerings, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing, again it contributes to the musicality of them.

For clean sounds they fall a little flat, if I were to pick based on clean tones alone for a pristine warm, jangly sound I'd definitely pick the 59's over the WLH, and they aren't as sweet sounding clean as a lot of the A2 offerings, but for pushed cleans, overdrive and above they sound awesome.
 
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I have always used 59's as my Page reference. I think they do a fantastic job of that. Not saying that WLH aren't better…just that I have no issues with 59's for that sound.
 
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I have always used 59's as my Page reference. I think they do a fantastic job of that. Not saying that WLH aren't better…just that I have no issues with 59's for that sound.

Ace, just out of curiosity, what string gauge are you typically using on your LPs? I typically use 10s in standard or 11s in Eb, so when I think of 59s, the first two tones that come to mind are Page and mid-70s Alex Lifeson. I've never played the WLH set, but the demos make them sound like a fatter, less bright 59 set which would make sense since Page always used 9s.
 
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Howdy,

Thanks, Aceman. As I've posted several times over the years, I've experience with the '59 set in my 1980 ES-335. Your observations are pretty much in agreement with mine. Really enjoyed your insight/observations!
 
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Hi,
As usual, I will opine that my Custom Shop Bridge Seth Lover w/A5 mag comes as close to my "for real" PAF pickup thanks to MJ at the Custom Shop. The only difference is the A5 mag, the wind is the same.
As a quick aside, I have recently tried turning my Seth bridge 180 degrees so the screws are closer to to the neck. This has given me a "harder,edgier" attack/sound and I have raised the screws on the neck side to give me some much needed mids on my B and G strings. Clearly, my cover is off.
Steve B. Edit: I wound be remiss not to thank all here for helping me get the sound I like. Would not have known where to start w/out all the help and future help I will surely need on other projects. Thank you.
 
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Personally, I can't stand any PAF based pickups in the bridge position.

I've had nearly all of them, barring the antiquities in at least the neck position.

I've come to the conclusion I like the '59 the best. It's flutey, and even has some single coil characteristics of my favorite Duncan neck pickup the Classic Stack Plus. It seems to be the one pickup that matches really well with any higher output bridge pickup and has a consistent response with any amp you use.

I've also noticed that Alnico II is not conducive to high resistance coils. It is flubby to begin with. More output just makes it muddier.
I hated the Burstbucker 3 that came in my Gibson BFG. I hated the Custom Custom I installed in my superstrat.

Though I believe you left out the Parallel Axis Blues Saraceno. It is most definitely a low output vintage style pickup, one that gives Floyd users the same joy as Les Paul hard tail purists.
 
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I'm seriously entertaining the idea of putting an A4 or UOA5 into my SH-1n. Leaning more towards the A4 given the success I've had with it in my SH-6n.
 
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I'm seriously entertaining the idea of putting an A4 or UOA5 into my SH-1n. Leaning more towards the A4 given the success I've had with it in my SH-6n.

do a search for a thread with a title along the lines of 'teach me about magnets'. blueman has a post early on that lays out the impacts of each type of magnet. should be a sticky, right up there with the thread on how to make a hybrid.
 
I remember reverently studying this thread over and over again, and bookmarking it when it came out. I remember being incredibly perplexed when you said that the Pearly Gates were the brightest, and your favorite, while the A2 Pros were the darkest, when the A2 Pros were incredibly bright to me.
 
Aceman's Official Which PAF? Thread

PG bridge is bright, but the neck is deep and warm.

What neck PAF would have and open and clear voicing with sweetness and cut in the highs and upper mids while retaining focus, articulation and punch in the lows? Not just SD, but any brand.
 
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