Advice needed, Wilshire and SG2000 pickup replacement.

vtor25

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Hello,

I’v been reading a lot on these forums and would like some advice. I want to change my pickups on 2 of my guitars, a Epiphone Wilshire (Phant-O-Matic really), and a Yamaha SG2000 ’78.

My experience with SD pickups so far has been great. I’v tried a lot of different companies, but my favorite pickups I ever had are the Antiquities in my Gibson LP trad., Antiquities Surfer 2 in my Fender Am vRI, and Seth Lovers I used to have in a Sheraton II (which I no longer have).

For my Wilshire I replaced pretty much everything, new Gotoh tuners, gotoh bridge and tailpiece, frets levelled, all electronics have been replaced. Its a wonderful guitar now. I have BKP Abraxas in it now, cause I thought it was a bright guitar, but now the sound is way to smooth/midrangy/uncomplex and even too hot. I am thinking about either the Seth Lovers for this guitar, or the Pearly Gates. The neck pickup is positioned a little closer to the bridge than on a LP (it’s in the same position as a SG). The bridge pickup is on the same position as a LP (so not the same as a SG!). The description and ZZ top tone sounds great, but I’m afraid of the possibility that it might be too bright! I am playing over a JCM2000 DSL50 with Greenback speakers, and I have the treble at 0! (which isn’t uncommon for this amp). The Wilshire has 1 volume and 1 tone pot for both pickups. I don’t mind fiddling with the guitar knobs, but it would be cumbersome to have to lower/raise the tone everytime I switch pickups.

For my SG2000, I’m looking at the Antiquities (because I love the sound I’m getting from my LP with them). But the SG2000 is a neck through design (middle part is maple, sided by mahogony), it’s a thin slice of maple compared to all the mahogany, but it’s there. And also it has an Ebony fretboard. It doesn’t seem like an overly bright guitar, but I guess it’s brighter than a normal LP. I use this guitar through the same amp/speaker combination.

The music I play range’s from clean (very little, only a couple songs these days) to mostly classic rock (zz top, led zeppelin, the black crowes) to some harder rock tones (guns ’n roses, blink 182, AC/DC). From my experience so far I like AlNiCo 2’s, don’t like AlNiCo 5’s too much (but don’t hate em, just a preference thing, I want more mids), and am very disappointed in AlNiCo 4’s. I have not had much trouble with unpotted pickups.

Your help/advice is very much appreciated. I live in the Netherlands, and we unfortunately do not have the easy returns policy. So every try costs a considerable amount of money.

Kind regards,

Victor

(sorry for the huge post!)
 
Re: Advice needed, Wilshire and SG2000 pickup replacement.

Well, you could try your Antiquities in your Wilshire and your SG to see how they sound compared to each other. Record clips if you can. That would help you decide what you need for each one. Let me know as I've just gotten a Wilshire to play slide on.
 
Re: Advice needed, Wilshire and SG2000 pickup replacement.

I would suggest something from the Custom line (the 59/Custom Hybrid would be my choice) for your Wilshire if you want a medium output pickup, but if you want something vintage go with the Pearly Gates. The Wilshire is built more like a SG so anything that sounds good in one of those is a good choice. If you're going for a Slash tone, you could use the A2Pros as that's Slash's signature pickup. Or the Whole Lotta Humbucker for the Led Zeppelin stuff. You've got a lot of choices here. The problem with the 59/Custom and the Whole Lotta Humbucker is that they use A5 magnets, but they would be good choices for the stuff you're playing. You can always buy the pickups and if you don't like them check this out. Those are what I would use for your guitars and choice of music.
 
Re: Advice needed, Wilshire and SG2000 pickup replacement.

I have been trying to find a good set of pickups for my SG1000. I have settled on an A4 '59 for the neck, which is just awesome. It totally suits the guitar! I have found, and I imagine you have too, that the SG style guitar resonates a lot. I like to have a pickup that doesn't take from that and I found that the '59 adds to its character. I have tried several pickups in the bridge, but haven't quite landed on one yet (I play heavier styles of rock - so the comparison isn't apples to apples). I know that I am not really fond of the Custom 8 I have in it now. It seems to rob the guitar of its character. I opted to try a Distortion next, as I have liked the results in other guitars.

My concern, if your guitar resonates as much as mine, is that if you get an unpotted set of humbuckers that you will be at risk for increased amounts of feedback. I imagine that the tone would be good, so long as you aren't pushing the gain too much to the point that you get unwanted feedback. You might not mind this, but I certainly hate it. If you decide to go with something potted, maybe consider the Alnico II Pro or Pearly Gate options. If you must have unpotted, there is the Seth Lover model too. I wish I could give you some first hand experience with those pickups, but honestly I am not a fan of alnico II. May I ask, what are you going to do with the stock pickups? I found that the stock bridge pickup in my SG1000 was fantastic, the neck was a bit warm (perfect for Santana stuff!) for my liking. I regret selling those pickups!

I wish you the best in your choices!

Cole
 
Re: Advice needed, Wilshire and SG2000 pickup replacement.

I love unpotted pups so Seth Lovers would be my choice. Plus, you have some experience with them, so you'll have an idea what they will sound like.

If you want something different and a little hotter, the Custom Custom in the bridge would be good since you like A2 mags.
 
Re: Advice needed, Wilshire and SG2000 pickup replacement.

Hi,

Thanks everybody for their responses! The Wilshire resonates very very much (even more than the SG2000 or Gibson). A very good point, I definitely don't want it to squeel when I'm on stage. Pearly Gates still seems like the best option for that guitar then. I might even consider using an eq pedal to tame my amp a little more.

I'm keeping the SG2000 pickups, the guitar is totally stock/original now, so I will save all original parts in case one day I change my mind or anything. I don't like the pickups, they are very low output AlNiCo5 pickups, they miss midrange. I know trying the Antiquities from my LP would be great, but I really don't want to open that guitar anymore, I learned the hard way to never change a guitar thats great.

I'll ask Thomann what their policy is regarding returning pickups.

Just for my information, a pearly gates with a little less treble = 59? And a Antiquity with a little more mid's = ?

Currently I'm leaning towards Pearly Gates for the Wilshire, and Whole Lotta Humbucker for the SG2000. My fear is the pearly gates will be to bright, and the WLH will be to aggressive/mid scooped and hot.
 
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Re: Advice needed, Wilshire and SG2000 pickup replacement.

Great news, the store does indeed have the return policy! I will try the Pearly Gates in the Wilshire, and report back with the results.
 
Re: Advice needed, Wilshire and SG2000 pickup replacement.

I love the Pearly Gates in my Wilshire! Neck isn't muddy (probably because its placed quite a lot closer to the bridge than a LP), and the bridge isn't too bright which I was afraid of! Great ZZ top and AC/DC sounds in there, and they work wonders with the volume and tone controls, very versatile!

The problem I had with all the brightness was from the speakers. I had a 4x12 G12T-75 1960a Marshall cabinet, which was causing all the problems. Now I have a 2x12 with Greenbacks and its incomparably better.

My SG2000 is getting it's nut raised a bit, after that I will try it through my rig and see how it sounds. If I still don't like it, I might put Antiquities or Seth Lovers in it. Which pickups is brighter, the Seth Lover or the Antiquity?

Cheers,

-V
 
Re: Advice needed, Wilshire and SG2000 pickup replacement.

I am glad that you dig the Pearly Gates; they always seemed like a cool pickup, but were never a first choice for me. Those G12-T75s can do that for sure, getting them up to volume really brings out their cool sound, but that top end can be a bit much. I bet the Greenbacks and the Wilshire do sing!

I know the Yamaha pickups are a low wind, but I felt they still had a good punch to them. I don't know what year your SG is, but mine was made in 2012, so their could be differences in the pickups. I am glad you are keeping them, I personally think they sound amazing in the Yamaha. I also really liked the Gibson Burstbucker Pros that came loaded in it when I bought it. They sounded really good to my ears, I just hated the zebra coils... It didn't match the cream in the binding. I couldn't tell you what pickup has more mids than the antiquity... The JB Antiquity??? I think I have read on here that people switch the JB to A2 or unoriented A5 magnets to get a rounder top end and to help kill some of the extra mids that the JB is known for. That might be an option for you too; the only problem is that once you change the magnet, you can't return the pickup if you don't like it (in this case I would suggest trying to snag a used on from The Trading Post here).

I hope that someone can chime in and answer your question regarding the Antiquities... By chance, would you like show off those guitars??? I always love seeing other SG guitars and talking with their owners!

Cole
 
Re: Advice needed, Wilshire and SG2000 pickup replacement.

Hi,

My SG2000 is from 1978, she's older than I am :)!

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The pickups are very different than the later re-issue models, and are worth quite some money. But I won't be selling them, in case I ever need to revert the guitar back to stock.
 
Re: Advice needed, Wilshire and SG2000 pickup replacement.

She is a beauty! Those older Yamaha pups are collectible for sure! I would love to get my hands on a set of their Spinex pickups, but I really don't want to spend what people are asking for them when they come up for sale. Thanks for sharing the picture!!!

Cole
 
Re: Advice needed, Wilshire and SG2000 pickup replacement.

Hi,

My SG2000 is from 1978, she's older than I am :)!

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The pickups are very different than the later re-issue models, and are worth quite some money. But I won't be selling them, in case I ever need to revert the guitar back to stock.
Vtor, how did you make out with the Yamaha? My SG2000 has a broken push/ push pot and the pickups are also very noisy and squeal badly. I need new pickups and a wiring kit but I haven't decided on which pickups to get.

I love the sound of the guitar, it could use a little more oomph though without losing the tone of the guitar itself.

Would love to hear how you made out. They are awesome guitars!
 
Re: Advice needed, Wilshire and SG2000 pickup replacement.

There are so many good options for pickups out there. I really like Wilde L90s for their clarity, as well as still having some oomph. Right now I have a set Seymour Duncans in my SG1000 - a Distortion and an A4 '59. This combo sounds great, and all my guitar buddies that have heard it agree.

I haven't heard the pickups that were used in those older models, so it is hard to say what they sound like. The above two were my favorite of a few different pickups I tried.

Cole
 
Re: Advice needed, Wilshire and SG2000 pickup replacement.

I have a Custom5 in the bridge and a 59 in the neck of my current Wilshire, my old one I had a Custom Custom bridge and a Pearly Gates neck.

Both setups worked really well, the CC/PG combo definitely leaned more the to Billy Gibbons side, the C5/59 setup is flat out rock. Both guitars were wired withp/p pots to split the coils, I used the outer coils on them.

Don't know if these clips will help but all but the the one track noted as a Tele are a Wilshire with the C5/59 setup if I remember correctly. All the samples were played thru a Line6 HD500

https://soundcloud.com/wattage13/tracks
 
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