Advice on a fast-playing, not-Les Paul-but-close guitar?

Re: Advice on a fast-playing, not-Les Paul-but-close guitar?

I'd suggest checking out the Epiphone Matt Heafy signature:

http://www.epiphone.com/Products/Electrics/Les-Paul/Matt-Heafy-Les-Paul-Custom.aspx

Even if you aren't a fan of his music at all (I'm not really/I haven't listened to anything by them since their first big 'hit' a few years back), it's an extremely well made instrument, with all the looks of a Les Paul, nothing gaudy or overtly 'signature' about it, and a really fast playing neck with a better heel for playing the weedlyweedlys. Comes with EMG's but they can easily be changed if they aren't your thing.
 
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I have a blackout Tele with EMG humbuckers that looked a lot like this LP, this model:

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until I pulled the EMGs and battery and put zebra PGs in with the cream on the farther ends, by the neck and bridge, and it went from looking like a gothic 80's super guitar to looking real classy, along the lines of a Black Beauty. Night and day difference with one small change.
 
Re: Advice on a fast-playing, not-Les Paul-but-close guitar?

I'd suggest checking out the Epiphone Matt Heafy signature:

http://www.epiphone.com/Products/Electrics/Les-Paul/Matt-Heafy-Les-Paul-Custom.aspx

Even if you aren't a fan of his music at all (I'm not really/I haven't listened to anything by them since their first big 'hit' a few years back), it's an extremely well made instrument, with all the looks of a Les Paul, nothing gaudy or overtly 'signature' about it, and a really fast playing neck with a better heel for playing the weedlyweedlys. Comes with EMG's but they can easily be changed if they aren't your thing.

Ive got one, I rewired it with passive Duncans and chrome hardware, its a beast.

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Re: Advice on a fast-playing, not-Les Paul-but-close guitar?

Wow, more awesome suggestions, thanks everyone! Now I have perhaps too many options :).
 
Re: Advice on a fast-playing, not-Les Paul-but-close guitar?

Hi again Forum-ites, I know it's been a couple months since I originally started this thread, but I wanted to post a quick update. Turns out I found something that is quite close to what I was looking for...and it was under my nose all along! One of my first guitars (about 15 years ago now) was an old Westbury Standard, which I bought used off a friend. It was made in the late 70's, and when I got it had the original pickups (a Dimarzio Super Distortion in the bridge and a PAF in the neck), which I promptly changed out for a 490R/498T combo for no other reason than that's what came in a Les Paul Standard back in those days, and I figured that's the sound that I wanted.

Fast forward to today, I dug this old guitar out of my closet in my childhood home, and turns out it's amazing, much more than I could appreciate back then! It has "that" thick Les Paul sound but with more bite, and is lighter with a thinner neck to boot (but not TOO thin). It plays fast, yet still has the sustain and growl I was looking for. Being older and wiser, I promptly replaced the pickups with a Custom 8 in the bridge and a '59 (a used one from the mid-80's!) in the neck. Now it absolutely sings, screams, growls, and purrs, I'm really quite amazed at how it nails the tone I was describing in the original post. As for specs, I think it has a solid mahogany body, with double cutaways (see pic below), so I imagine it would sound similar to an SG with the pickup combo I mentioned.

If anyone else is looking for this kind of a sound, you can find these babies for $300 or so on eBay, so for $500 with the pickup upgrade you can have an amazing guitar!

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Re: Advice on a fast-playing, not-Les Paul-but-close guitar?

nothing like a Matsumoku. I'd like to stumble on a MIJ classic from them some day and snag it up for a low sum.
They've even got almost the same headstock as Arias of the day, only with a different logo.
 
Re: Advice on a fast-playing, not-Les Paul-but-close guitar?

Hi everyone,

So, in my quest for the perfect guitar (for me at least :)), I've come to a point where I sort of know what I want based on several instruments I've owned or tried based on the different "highlights" of each. However, I'm not sure what guitar would best combine all these features, since none of the ones I've encountered nails them all. In the not-too-distant future I'd like to invest in a really nice, high-end guitar, and your advice would be greatly appreciated about what to look for!

Okay, so basically I used to think that the Les Paul was my "perfect" guitar. I love the thick growl, the sustain, and the sound of a high-output, PAF-flavored pickup (the SD forums were key in leading me to the legendary Custom 8, which was perfect for that!). However, three things keep it from being ideal: (1) they're heavy, even if weight-relieved, and bulky; (2) the sound is a little TOO thick, it's not as cutting and "shred-friendly" as I'd like (even with higher-output pickups); (3) the neck is a little too fat (even the 60's slim profile), and I find it hard to play fast.

So, I'm basically looking for a guitar that still has that thick tone and will retain the Custom 8 growl, but not quite SO thick. And a guitar with a thinner/faster neck and lighter. This may initially scream "PRS!", but I've tried several, and while the neck is great, their tone is a little too thin and "raspy" (if that makes any sense). Maybe that's a pickup thing, but it seems to be similar across many models and it always left me a little wanting.

I also have an Ibanez RG, and the neck is fantastic, and the high-output pickups are definitely awesome, but it lacks that thicker tone, even after swapping several pickups into it. However, it definitely shreds, so that's a definitely plus.

Any recommendations on a good guitar that I might not know about that could meet these needs? I was thinking maybe an SG (I've never tried one), or a double-cutaway LP, but I'm open to any type of guitar as long as the tone is there. I don't care about a tremolo (though it's fine if the guitar has one), or the body style (though I do rather like the double-cutaway look; in that respect PRS is my optimal body type). The stock pickups aren't an issue; I fully plan on taking them out and putting in a couple SD pups, probably a Custom 8 and a 59 or something, so the guitar has to work well with that setup.

As for musical styles, I play mostly blues, classic and hard rock, with a little 80's metal thrown in. So nothing super heavy is necessary, but the guitar has to really growl and scream when pushed, yet be able to nail those beautiful glassy cleans as well.

I know there are a lot of smaller manufacturers out there that I've never heard of, so any advice would be greatly appreciated! And I guess that a custom job is also a possibility, but for the time being I'd like to stick to production models if possible, I'm not that rich :).

Thanks so much for the help!


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Ever looked into the Vipers ?

Body is much thinner than the all-Mighty Les Paul, yet slightly thicker than the Holy SG.

Want proof they are shred'able ?










. . . PHIL X

 
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Re: Advice on a fast-playing, not-Les Paul-but-close guitar?

Les Paul-esque, but lighter with a thin, fast-playing neck?

That would be the Washburn Idol HM WI50. Hard to find, but delivers everything you asked for after a simple pickup swap (stock knobs are black).

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EDIT: Just a quick P.S. - I'm getting ready to unload an almost brand new, WI-50V (trem version) in Black with brushed chrome EMG 81/60 pickups and real German Schaller Floyd Rose if you're interested!
 
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Re: Advice on a fast-playing, not-Les Paul-but-close guitar?

UPDATE: So, after about a year, I have finally found the guitar that "fits the bill" perfectly for me, as per this thread, and it's the PRS McCarty. It really is exactly what I was hoping for: thick classic/hard rock tone, but not too thick, very LP-ish in flavor, with an amazingly quick and comfortable neck, perfect heft, and a classic look to boot. Now I'm swapping in a Jazz in the neck and a 59/Custom hybrid in the bridge to take it to the next level!

Several people on this thread suggested the McCarty, in fact, but because it is currently out of production (though it is apparently coming back in 2015) I had a hard time finding one to try. After more enthusiastic recommendations for the McCarty on a related thread (https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?290146-Guitar-halfway-between-PRS-and-Les-Paul) I just bit the bullet and bought one off eBay, and couldn't be happier! It really is true what they say about PRS reliability and quality, this guitar was perfectly made, and within seconds of picking it up and playing it was like "yup, the search is over" :).

I hope this helps anyone else in the same situation as me. And hell, the search was half the fun, now I have like 20 other guitars I want to try out!
 
Re: Advice on a fast-playing, not-Les Paul-but-close guitar?

Congrats! PRS is one of the few brands where you can buy a guitar without playing it and not be too nervous about what you're gonna get.
 
Re: Advice on a fast-playing, not-Les Paul-but-close guitar?

Thanks! And yeah, totally, everything people said about PRS guitars was true about their reliability and quality. What a sweet axe, and man, that neck :)...
 
Re: Advice on a fast-playing, not-Les Paul-but-close guitar?

that's what i was thinking as well. personally i don't care for the LP's. but the ec-1000 felt great when i played it. and there not SUPER expensive like a high end Gibson. definitely worth checking out.
 
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