Aliexpress Yngwie Malmsteen Strat / Scallops

[Ascension]

You miss the details. The Chinese copies are copies down to the headstock shape AND logo. They say "Gibson" on the headstock. That's a no no. The Suhr and Anderson Strats and Teles have unique headstock shapes to their brands and have "Suhr" or "Anderson" on the headstock. The reason the Chinese companies, and even those in Europe or anywhere else outside the U.S. border, can get away with making these exact copies is because the copyright laws of the headstock shape and likeness do not apply in those countries. It's very hard for U.S. makes to enforce there.

You are correct here to a point. Out right forgeries built with the intent to deceive are however illegal as HELL! Similar shapes and designs are one thing and it's up to those company's to enforce the copyright standards if they choose. Openly marked items imported marked as an official product from a legit company are a totally different thing. Most have no concept on how widespread and devastating this all is. Those who work for Duncan i guarantee know it however as do I have worked in the Pawn Shops for years.
These products are designed to deceive and steal from the legit companies period and those who bring them here are scum who need to spend years in federal PRISON!

 

[Mincer]

Thing is, you can't arrest people in a different country who don't live under our laws. The only way to stop this is to go after the people in this country who possess all of these items. And that opens up a whole 'nother can.

 

[Ascension]

I wonder if the main markets for these counterfeits are non western worlds? In the western world we have laws against these counterfeits and strict customs laws. Sure we can buy them, but I think it is not very profitable for them for the afore mentioned reasons. I think in asia there are easier markets for them to make more money.

Why are these counterfeits getting better? I think it is, because they make them in some factories where they make legal instruments and then the "night" shift makes these counterfeits. It is easy just to program the machines to exact specs and place the wood in the machine. Making them like this requires so little work by hand.

Problem is in the US the laws on the books are not being enforced. Will say once again it's not that the actual guitars exist it's that they are designed to deceive. they are branded as a product of a legit company and as such are criminal to import.Simple solution would be just brand them as what they are. if there is a copyright issue then it should be up to the copyright holder to pursue. Out right forgeries are despicable I will never own one and every one should be confiscated and burned.

 

[Securb]

if there is a copyright issue then it should be up to the copyright holder to pursue.

It is next to impossible to sue for copyright infringement in China. We in the software industry deal with it all the time. They won't even recognize the suit.

 

[Top-L]

It is next to impossible to sue for copyright infringement in China. We in the software industry deal with it all the time. They won't even recognize the suit.

If we could enforce copyrights and eliminate piracy, USA would own China outright. Thats why the US debt to china seems so wrong. They steal from us, they sell it back to us, and now we owe them REAL money!?

 

[beaubrummels]

First, you have to get a copyright grant in China to defend. That requires being a Chinese company over there as a proxy. Then litigate in Chinese

 

[GuitarStv]

If we could enforce copyrights and eliminate piracy, USA would own China outright. Thats why the US debt to china seems so wrong. They steal from us, they sell it back to us, and now we owe them REAL money!?

I think that the Chinese argument is . . . they make lots of knock off stuff for low prices. If Americans want to buy it in violation of US law, then America should probably police it's own citizens. Why should they get in shit because unscrupulous folks in the US want what they're selling?

 

[Aceman]

Again - really wanted to talk about Scallops....

But Ascension mentions an interesting thing: Rifle Scopes. I'm sure there are lots of fake Leupolds out there from China. But there are a TONM of highly respected Chinese price performers too.

My pointy on the copies is you better HOPE they don't get to a point where they start branding their own.

 

[Mincer]

What questions about scallops? My main Music Man is scalloped, and I am building a Warmoth with a scalloped board.

 

[Demanic]

What's the main advantage and the biggest drawback?

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[Obsessive Compulsive]

You miss the details. The Chinese copies are copies down to the headstock shape AND logo. They say "Gibson" on the headstock. That's a no no. The Suhr and Anderson Strats and Teles have unique headstock shapes to their brands and have "Suhr" or "Anderson" on the headstock. The reason the Chinese companies, and even those in Europe or anywhere else outside the U.S. border, can get away with making these exact copies is because the copyright laws of the headstock shape and likeness do not apply in those countries. It's very hard for U.S. makes to enforce there.

Is that how the intellectual property law on guitar goes? By your definition, Gibson should not have sued the Japanese companies and PRS over the so-called lawsuit guitars cause they had their own brand names not Gibson on the headstock, even though the basic form/ shape and general appearance are the same.

 

[JB_From_Hell]

Is that how the intellectual property law on guitar goes? By your definition, Gibson should not have sued the Japanese companies and PRS over the so-called lawsuit guitars cause they had their own brand names not Gibson on the headstock, even though the basic form/ shape and general appearance are the same.

I don't know how the Japanese lawsuits turned out, but Gibson lost he one with PRS. I'm also pretty sure that, back in the day, Fender trademarked the headstock, but not the body shapes of their instruments.

 

[Mincer]

What's the main advantage and the biggest drawback?

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The advantage is that it is easier to bend and apply vibrato, with no wood to get in the way. Can't think of a drawback, other than they are rare in the wild, and usually expensive as an add on.

 

[Demanic]

I suppose that the only drawback is if you play with a heavy hand.

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[Mincer]

I suppose that the only drawback is if you play with a heavy hand.

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Honestly, that is almost impossible. You'd have to be squeezing so hard that the pain would bother you before being out of tune does.

 

[JB_From_Hell]

Honestly, that is almost impossible. You'd have to be squeezing so hard that the pain would bother you before being out of tune does.

Really? I hear that as a pretty common beginner’s issue with scallops.

 

[Gtrjunior]

Here’s an auto-translated review from Aliexpress.

”Excellent!! But rack back like the line of one part only pull all make you satisfied. Great Dragon one other. Perfect to long.”

Couldn’t have said it better

 

[Mincer]

Really? I hear that as a pretty common beginner’s issue with scallops.

I don't think that is a thing, any more than bending notes sharp with tall frets. It simply doesn't happen.

 

[Aceman]

I was definitely bending the big rock A chord out of tune. But my hands, like my licks, are mighty.

Like IO said though, 20 minutes and most things were sounding right. In 2 weeks I'd be totally up to speed.

 

[Aceman]

So to speak.

Well, up to my speed. Probably not Yngwies...