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Marcel said:
what rubber gloves? the red from an electronic store are f***in expensive?!

I used my Mum's yellow washing-up gloves :chairfall

They need to be dry first though!!!! :bigeyes2:
 
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Naaah thanks. Mostly I just need to know the potential dangers as I haven't found much info on this. Basically I know not to touch the filter caps. Now I don't quite know what the filter caps are, so I read it as 'don't touch anything' which seems easy enough to follow. But my question is, even if I do NOT touch anything, is the risk still there?
 
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Yes - as theres a chance you could touch something unintentionally if your hand slips. Do you have any crocodile clips? I'd suggest you solder the 1ohm resistors in place before you even plug in the power cord, connect the crocodile clips to where you'll be testing with your meter, then connect the meter's red and black wires to the respective clips. Then plug in the power cord, and turn on the amp. Then you only have to fiddle with the bias pot inside the amp, and you know that's all you'll be touching.
 
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Yep I'm pretty sure. I don't think I'd do this a whole lot, and well... I've always been more of a DIY person myself.

So if I let the amp cool off for a day, plug everything out, soldering the 1ohm resistor won't be too bad I guess. Just unsolder the pin end of the ground, leave it to hang in a safe place where I can't bump on it and solder in the resistor in.
 
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Pierre said:
Yep I'm pretty sure. I don't think I'd do this a whole lot, and well... I've always been more of a DIY person myself.

So if I let the amp cool off for a day, plug everything out, soldering the 1ohm resistor won't be too bad I guess. Just unsolder the pin end of the ground, leave it to hang in a safe place where I can't bump on it and solder in the resistor in.

I have a book with some photos on how to do the mod....My scanner is down,but I could snap pictures and send them to you?
 
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Ohh if it's not much of a hassle that'd be very cool of you man! Thanks!
 
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Never done this (!!) but I think you want unload the filtercaps before you solder the 1Ohm resistor in?!?
Isn't it easier too build/buy a bias probe adaptater which you can use with a multimeter?
You can get a kit for 14€...

John: can you recommend a good book about working on tube amps etc?
 
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Pierre said:
Ohh if it's not much of a hassle that'd be very cool of you man! Thanks!

I'm at work until tomorrow,so it'll be then before I could send it your way..
 
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Marcel said:
Never done this (!!) but I think you want unload the filtercaps before you solder the 1Ohm resistor in?!?
Isn't it easier too build/buy a bias probe adaptater which you can use with a multimeter?
You can get a kit for 14€...

John: can you recommend a good book about working on tube amps etc?

I use 1 ohm 3 watters,but a 10 and even a 100 ohm works...You're just converting milliamp readings to millivolts via the resistors.
 
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Marcel said:
Never done this (!!) but I think you want unload the filtercaps before you solder the 1Ohm resistor in?!?
Isn't it easier too build/buy a bias probe adaptater which you can use with a multimeter?
You can get a kit for 14€...

John: can you recommend a good book about working on tube amps etc?
FOURTEEN EUROS??? Where? I want! Ah that may just save my life haha...
 
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After reading this thread, a couple of safety tips come to mind:

Electrical safety gloves are thick and very expensive. They are rated for voltages higher than you will find in a typical amplifier. They are awkward and unnecessary.

On the other hand, using cheap rubber ‘work’ gloves can be dangerous as they might contain materials other than rubber (i.e. vinyl, nylon, etc) which could melt onto your skin in the event of an arc flash. Cheap gloves might also be coated with dry lubricant (to keep the gloves from sticking together). Some coatings could be electrically conductive.

Better to use you clean dry bare hands. Make sure you are not wearing any jewelry (rings, watches, etc) Electrical contact with a gold ring will not only guarantee shock, but deep burns.

Use meter leads with clips so you can make the connections with power off. Connect the leads, power on and take your measurements.

When reaching into your amp, use only one hand (put the other in a pocket). If you should get shocked, it will be localized to your hand. If you’re holding on to the chassis with one hand and ‘probing’ with the other, there is a good possibility that your heart will become part of the circuit.

Don’t assume a capacitor is discharged, measure it with your meter. If the cap is still charged, jumper a 5w 10–20k resistor across the terminals and wait for a few minutes then measure again. Don’t use a screwdriver.

Working on amplifiers is not like disarming bombs. It isn’t all that dangerous if you use common sense and understand the risks.
 
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Thanks for all these Chaos! Is it really needed to discharge the capacitors though?
 
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WOaa Marcel thanks buddy! I'll get one of these. Do you guys think they work with 6V6s?
 
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Pierre said:
Thanks for all these Chaos! Is it really needed to discharge the capacitors though?
It isn't neccessary to discharge caps if all you are doing is measuring / adjusting bias voltage. However, if you need to any repair work, soldering, component replacement, etc then you should meter your caps (only takes a second) to be sure they aren't charged.
 
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Bump... I have money now and I would be VERY grateful to know whether this item could work with 6V6s if some of you know... I emailed them but I won't be able to order it as easily tomorrow as I'll be away from my parents.
 
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Pierre said:
Bump... I have money now and I would be VERY grateful to know whether this item could work with 6V6s if some of you know... I emailed them but I won't be able to order it as easily tomorrow as I'll be away from my parents.

The 6V6s have the same pin outs as a 6L6...
 
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:D ok! I'll buy this then along with a pair of 6V6s from the site. Cheers dude!
 
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