Am I out of tune?

Re: Am I out of tune?

Dudes!!!

I'm horrified at some of the suggestions this morning!!! LOL!!! Crappy as my playing is at the moment......... Autotune???

Why not just get one of these:

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Regards,

Dale.
 
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Yea. It's stupid and pointless idea if it was used like autotune.

But as something like digitech whammy; doing the thing for each note independently as you l play a, like ring modulator, could make really interesting effect don't you think?
 
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dpaterson said:
Dudes!!!

I'm horrified at some of the suggestions this morning!!! LOL!!! Crappy as my playing is at the moment......... Autotune???

Why not just get one of these:

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Regards,

Dale.
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Well if someone is so disturbed by the fact that guitar is never in perfect pitch. So using the Autotune might help or it could turn you into Cher of guitar playing.
 
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Lovegun said:
Well if someone is so disturbed by the fact that guitar is never in perfect pitch. So using the Autotune might help or it could turn you into Cher of guitar playing.
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Too funny!!! LOL!!!

Truth be told: I'm a pianist (started "banging" on the piano when I was three years old apparently) (then classical lessons for years blah, blah, blah). So when I got my first guitar I actually thought there was something wrong with it because I couldn't fathom how the fretted notes were out of tune with the piano keys!!! LOL!!! Took me a while to get used to it and accept it for what it was. And as somebody else noted above: you learn to compensate. I've got three guitars and each is slightly different but it only takes a chord or two and your compensation sort of automatically kicks in. Of course this is different from a guitar that constantly goes out of tune because of nut and whatever else problems as per the thread topic.

Regards,

Dale.
 
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eclecticsynergy said:
Locking nuts and lubricated nuts can help guitars stay the way you tune them, and an intonated nut can help a lot down in the cowboy chord area. But that isn't the root of the problem.

Western intonation is tempered, so certain intervals won't ever be perfectly in tune. This is true even on a piano, but various mechanical aspects of the guitar make it worse for some chords/intervals than others. And the problem isn't 100% the same from one guitar to another.

It is possible to tune a piano to "just intonation" which will play perfectly in tune - but only in one chosen key. As soon as you modulate, it all goes sideways. This is why we use tempered intonation: it's a compromise to be able to play in all keys and still be close to in tune. Close, but not perfect.

Another element in this is personal playing style. Some guys play harder than others, and I think certain players with a lot of experience and very good pitch may have evolved a style which compensates for certain chord formations that have natural pitch shortcomings.

Context is also a factor; if a song has a raunchy sound, being a little bit out in certain spots doesn't grate on the ear. Same with a dense arrangement. But in a very sparse and pure arrangement, a little dissonance is far more noticeable.

Finally there's perception. We tend to be especially analytical about our own playing, both technique and sound. I can hear a slight out-of-tuneness on certain chords in my own playing, especially when I'm playnig by myself. With a band not so much, yet I can still pick it out if I listen closely. Yet I seldom notice it on the same chords in any of my favorite classic rock recordings. Of course, standards were lower in the old days and there are spots where a guitar was obviously not tuned well. But that is noticeable throughout, not just on certain problematic chords. So it's not related to the issue I'm talking about.
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With me, I notice most problems nearest the nut on open big 5 chords, but many times its me just pushing too hard
 
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Confused. There were two posts about string bending with this stuff but they've disappeared.

Oh well and for what it's worth here's another video (another dude). Not a lot of string bending going on here either with these frets (also see the comments):


Regards,

Dale.
 
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My antares autotune says it has settings to make a bass punchy and pitch perfect

So there's that
 
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dpaterson said:
Hello.

I certainly didn't mean to derail the OP's thread with this True Temperament stuff but apparently there's a little interest shown in it.

Here (below) is a comment that I copied off of a YouTube video of Steve Vai on True Temperament frets (video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uehDWQNActA). There's loads of other info. on this stuff floating around the Internet but this chap, whoever he is, kinda nails it layman's terms. And there's some other pretty good comments on the video if you scroll down the YouTube page a bit.



Not for me i.e. too much of a traditionalist (still bugs me even to have to detune to cover my favorite artist!!! LOL!!!).

And I have tuning problems on my own that True Temperament sure ain't gonna solve i.e. more often than not my lower E string is out of tune on the initial attack and it bugs the living hell out of me. But it's because I dig in and play hard (I THINK that's the reason anyway) and I constantly have to remind myself to "ease up a little" and "gently does it". Funny thing is that it's only the lower E string (and on all three of my guitars so it cannot be the guitars because they're all different). Dunno if there's a fix for this. I've tried heavier gauge strings, more springs in the FR trem., nothing. Technique I guess???

Regards,

Dale.
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The guy you're quoting is either confused or shamelessly shilling.

Compensation for string gauge wouldn't result in vastly different shapes on neighboring frets. There'd be a clear gradual pattern, not rando zags going every which way.


PS as to your 6th string problems, adjust gauge to give you similar lbs tension on #6 as the rest. And maybe just maybe look into new toplocks for your Floyd nut, 6th string can gouge the hell out of it and make it loose
 
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Mincer said:
The G# in an open-position E chord always sounds out of tune to me.
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Seriously? So it's not just me??

Never had a trained ear to begin with, but even as a kid literally on page 2 or 3 of some teach-yourself book... my first thought, "what the hell, Em chord sounds just fine, so what's wrong with this E-major picture?"

Didnt even know what the heck a major chord was or how it's supposed to sound vs. a minor chord, just that adding that one finger made everything sound wrong. I figured I just thought major chords sounded obnoxious by definition lol.

Musta been 20 years I still think E major fretted by the nut sounds jarring
 
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And guitars that are close to dead on sounds horrible for other reasons...
Our ears do not really like total in tune.....
It will kind sound like studio monitors, everything has been taken apart...not the most pleasent sound in the world!

Anyways as one plays more and more, your fingers kinda compensate for the worst of out of tune.
Getting that nice unity of notes that is pleasing!
 
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Adieu said:
Seriously? So it's not just me??

Never had a trained ear to begin with, but even as a kid literally on page 2 or 3 of some teach-yourself book... my first thought, "what the hell, Em chord sounds just fine, so what's wrong with this E-major picture?"

Didnt even know what the heck a major chord was or how it's supposed to sound vs. a minor chord, just that adding that one finger made everything sound wrong. I figured I just thought major chords sounded obnoxious by definition lol.

Musta been 20 years I still think E major fretted by the nut sounds jarring
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But for me , the open E chord sounds the best on an acoustic
 
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Vasshu the humanoid typhoon said:
And guitars that are close to dead on sounds horrible for other reasons...
Our ears do not really like total in tune.....!
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This is a fair point, there is no experience in nature where things are perfect . -perfect intonation can create an acoustical "Uncanny Valley" effect where the mind is dubious and confused.
 
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Adieu said:
The guy you're quoting is either confused or shamelessly shilling.

Compensation for string gauge wouldn't result in vastly different shapes on neighboring frets. There'd be a clear gradual pattern, not rando zags going every which way.


PS as to your 6th string problems, adjust gauge to give you similar lbs tension on #6 as the rest. And maybe just maybe look into new toplocks for your Floyd nut, 6th string can gouge the hell out of it and make it loose
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I cannot comment as I don't know enough about it. This being said: logically speaking I can understand those patterns. What I mean to say is: I would imagine that the guitar is tuned to concert pitch (open strings) and then each note on each string is checked and the fret is bent in such a way that each note is in perfect pitch when fretted. Dunno. Guessing I guess. But it would explain "rando zags" not??? Actually be quite interested in how it's done. I mean: it surely cannot be done by hand i.e. as we all know you can be out of tune just by applying the slightest different amount of pressure. Who knows. Maybe they use my "special" method for doing this!!! LOL!!! I capo the twelfth fret when setting intonation. It eliminates any variances in pressure (I have a tendency to "agree" the note with the tuner by applying more or less pressure when doing it by hand!!! LOL!!!). Maybe something "mechanical" like this anyway.

Thanks for the advice on my 6th string problem. Adjusting gauge is probably the only thing that would help (either that or just "keeping it calm" or "chill dude") i.e. I would have a hard time believing that all three of my guitars have a problem at the nut. Worth a check though. Thanks again.

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Must say it's worse with new strings. Dunno if that's a common thing??? Things seem to settle down after a while.

Regards,

Dale.
 
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