Amp Reissue Mania-What has gotten into Manufacturers?

Quencho092

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Recently, Marshall, Fender and many other amp manufacturers have been making reissues to their classic amps, and many times, overlooking the original specs of the classics.These amps carry hefty price tags-are they worth it at all? Which ones are good buys, and which ones are duds?
 
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The phenomenon started when early boutique companies like Matchless, Wizard, and Victoria started creating better recreations of Vox, Marshalls, and Fenders around 1990.
Fender and Marshall started it around 94, and realized that using their same production methods, they could recreate the magic of their 'classic' amps.
Most amp afficionados agree that Marshall did the best out of the three with their Reissue Plexi 50 and 100. Fender did OK with their mediocre versions of 59 Bassmans, 65 Super and Deluxe Reverbs, as well as a few others.
The Reissues are all decent amps, more reliable than the old one's, but DO lack the depth, punch, and natural gain of the early Point to Point amps. All in all, they are some of the better sounding amps being made in today's 'corner cutting' market.
 
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I think builders prey on (and lead on, for that matter) the conservative guitar buying public...thats why strats and gibsons don't modify their designs, except to make them look older than they are. Many people think that anything new (or anything that looks new) can't possibly sound good or as good as those classic designs. Problem is, the builders don't use the classic designs. They change them hype them as reissues. Funny, when the cats from the 60s and 70s were coming up with unique sounds, they didn't look back to the 40s and 50s, but this generation seems to. Not a lot of really innovative sounds that will be classic in 40 years.
 
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Mincer said:
Many people think that anything new (or anything that looks new) can't possibly sound good or as good as those classic designs.

Are you trying to tell me that a new Digitech Grunge re-issue could possibly sound just as good as my vintage DOD Grunge? :blackeye:


Blasphamy! :soapbox: If it ain't vintage, it's crap!!!
 
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Heh when it is vintage, it is sometimes crap:laugh2:
Everything needs attention from time to time.
Hmm maybe we should re-issue the compressor as it looked about 10 years ago.....hehe
 
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Say what you will but I wish that CMI or whomever would reissue the Lab Series L5 or L9 (whichever had 2x12s) interesting S.S. amps. Also I'd loved for Fender to reissue the Super Champs. As they were one of my favourite amps that I never owned but played thru ... Of course if they did they'd want an arm and a leg.
 
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HEy GJ what can you say about the Marshall RI Plexi 50 watt? I read in the specs this has an effects loop!!! Why would they have put an effects loop in a vintage RI?????
 
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Bludave said:
HEy GJ what can you say about the Marshall RI Plexi 50 watt? I read in the specs this has an effects loop!!! Why would they have put an effects loop in a vintage RI?????

Because most people want vintage tone with modern accessories.
 
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Marshall screwed up bigtime by releasing the JCM 800 Reissue 100-watter instead of the 50-watter. A total marketing blunder. Anybody who knows Marshalls knows that the JCM 800 50-watters have better tone than the 100-watters. MrHM.
 
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Mincer said:
I think builders prey on (and lead on, for that matter) the conservative guitar buying public...

It's called Marketing.


thats why strats and gibsons don't modify their designs, except to make them look older than they are.

I think a lot of that is because humans are creatures of habit. They like familiar, comfortable things. And when it comes to musical instruments, even though musicians like to believe they're daring and new, are some of the most conservative consumers I know.
 
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The loop in the 1987x is switch in or totally out.
I do not like loops very much, mostly I would use a Palmer if the need for added effects was needed.
Normally I would record a Marshall bonedry reverb or delay wise, only with a phaser or a flanger added, then ad the delay or reverb afterwards, studio gear still sounds better.
 
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BTW, when are those PTP Marshall reissues due out?
 
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Mincer has a good point about this generation being more nostalgic than the last. I tend to laugh at all the guys that go on and on about Hendrix, and copy his gear to the T. If Hendrix were someone that was a modern day player, he wouldn't care about what was hip in 69; he'd probably have a rig that makes the best of all of our current advancements in gear.

Honestly, I like gear that takes the idealogy and tone of vintage gear, but updates it to a level that's more suited to current standards. The problem is that players nit pick it to death. Also, the type of gear that is 'cutting edge' becomes dated very quickly nowadays. That's a big reason that Fender, Gibson, PRS, and Martin stay with classic designs. Think of all the modern touches they've employed on some of their guitars. People don't like it, and refuse to buy it. They also take a big price hit if they decide to sell a LP with a Kahler, or a strat with big ugly brass hardware, or an acoustic with a revolutionary pickup design. As soon as it's "out", it's seen as junk.
 
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mrid said:
BTW, when are those PTP Marshall reissues due out?
PTP Marshall RI? :32:
 
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I'm not really that keen on tone, and amp designs, but i think that one reason why vintage amps sound good is because they are much simpler. Some amps like Mesa and Rivera have messes of circuitry, effects, channels and a plethora of other crap. I'm not a vintage nut, but i agree-if amp manufacturers simplified their designs and made amplifiers that are good at what they do be it a metal style amp, classic rock amp, or a really good clean amp, more people would be satisfied. A friend of mine bought an avt100 recently. It has so much crap in it, you cant use it without a manual! And the tone isn't all that great, unless you consider a flanged, delayed, totally reverberated, phased, heavily distorted sound good tone. Your amp is a foundation to your tonal possibilities-not an all in one package of crap you'll never enjoy playing or learn to use fully. If you want good effects, buy an effects pedal. If you want a good amp, get a simple tube amp that's good at what it does.
 
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Quencho092 said:
I'm not really that keen on tone, and amp designs, but i think that one reason why vintage amps sound good is because they are much simpler. Some amps like Mesa and Rivera have messes of circuitry, effects, channels and a plethora of other crap. I'm not a vintage nut, but i agree-if amp manufacturers simplified their designs and made amplifiers that are good at what they do be it a metal style amp, classic rock amp, or a really good clean amp, more people would be satisfied. A friend of mine bought an avt100 recently. It has so much crap in it, you cant use it without a manual! And the tone isn't all that great, unless you consider a flanged, delayed, totally reverberated, phased, heavily distorted sound good tone. Your amp is a foundation to your tonal possibilities-not an all in one package of crap you'll never enjoy playing or learn to use fully. If you want good effects, buy an effects pedal. If you want a good amp, get a simple tube amp that's good at what it does.

So lets say I want clean, rhythm and lead. All high gain (so no rolling off the volume for cleans and boosting for leads).

What you're saying sounds good, but isn't practical. For me to replace a three channel amp, I would need three different amps, three cabs, an a/b/c selector box, more cables, more electrical wires, more grounding problems than you could shake a stick at, not to mention trying to find a way to power it all off one 15A wall outlet (since we don't want to inducing even more ground loops by using multiple grounds). Not to mention that you'd more than triple your setup time and you'd need to mic three different amps.

Then add problems like what happens if you want to run your effects in different loops. Now you need expensive MIDI switching/routing equipment, or you need to buy multiple versions of the same pedal, and if you're one of those guys who likes to have chorus/reverb/phase/flange/short delay/long delay ect, you could easily have 20-30 pedals on the ground in front of you.

But, since were going for simplist amps possible, we won't even have effects loops,will we? In that case we start comprimising our tone. How do we use delay on the high gain lead amp when there's no effects loop to put it in? Reverb? Forget it.

Also, since we're going simple, we have no master volume, which means we can't get tight, high gain distortion withough distorting the hell out of our power tubes. Good by tight dirt, hello sludge.



Or, you could forget all that and buy one three channel amp and a cab. :)



There's reasons amp manufacturues have added stuff like channel switching, multiple gain stages, effects loops, master volumes, series/parallel loops, ect....

....it's because customers want them.
 
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i was talking about tone, not versatility. Sure if you need all those channels and stuff to play your genre, get a modern amp. But what I was trying to explain was why people love vintage amps-because they provide a getaway from technology bull**** and show that if you want good tone (not versatility yada yada...) all you need is a good 1 channel vintage amp. A 3 channel Mesa Boogie may be able to handle metal really well, but compare one of those 3 channels to the classic rock tone of an original Plexi-no comparison in my opinion, but like i said versatility is not an issue here (were talking good classic tones not METAL!!).
You wouldn't consider a reissue amp if you need 3 channels and play metal anyway! And by the way, power tube distortion has tons more tone, responsiveness, and touch sensitivity than preamp tubes. True rock tone isn't nasal gritty preamp tubes being distorted the crap out of-its a set of el34's being cranked in a marshall releasing the creamy high end mid tone that a 6 preamp tube metal monster amp could never attain. And by the way, one of the best metal heads of all time is the JCM 800-1 channel power-tube distortion based amplifier!!For 2 channels, get an OD pedal to kick it into distortion from clean. If you want 3 channels, get an MXR Double Shot OD, and set a channel higher than the other. Clean-bypassed. Rhythm-Channel 1 with eq set to taste. Lead-Channel 2 with more mids and gain set to taste. There you go!. Only an idiot or a tone freak would buy 3 amps to be able to use 3 channels. But I agree-if you need effects and multiple channels with good tone buy a 3 channel effects looped amp. And I never said simple means no master volume, no effects loop....Simple is the opposite of an AVT100 or a Triple Recto, or a TSL. Key word here is vintage reissue.

Your argument is very valid, but you are arguing in the wrong thread! :smack:
 
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Quencho092 said:
Your argument is very valid, but you are arguing in the wrong thread! :smack:

Quencho092 said:
if amp manufacturers simplified their designs and made amplifiers that are good at what they do be it a metal style amp, classic rock amp, or a really good clean amp, more people would be satisfied.

I was only debating your point. In the quoted comment you were talking about making simpfied amps, I stated one of the reasons it wasn't that pratical.

Besides, as technology progresses, many amp manufacturers are developing ways to give good tone and the modern ammenities we all love. Anyone who doubts me can check out a Diezel, Bogner, or even a Mesa.

Many of these RI amps do have good tone. Sure, adding an effects loop to a Plexi isn't very true to the orginal, but then again, many Plexi's were modified to have an effects loop.

Quencho092 said:
And by the way, one of the best metal heads of all time is the JCM 800-1 channel power-tube distortion based amplifier!!For 2 channels, get an OD pedal to kick it into distortion from clean. If you want 3 channels, get an MXR Double Shot OD, and set a channel higher than the other. Clean-bypassed. Rhythm-Channel 1 with eq set to taste. Lead-Channel 2 with more mids and gain set to taste. There you go!.

In my example I specified high gain for a reason. I know what the JCM800 is capable of, but it's also not a high gain amp.

P.S. I'm not a metalhead, I play punk, metal, rock, classic rock, & blues. I don't need a "metal" amp, I need an amp that can do almost everything.

Before you start preaching to me on tube distortion, keep in mind that it was you who posted all those threads asking how to overdrive your power tubes without you're preamp gain adding buzz a week ago, and that I was one of the people who told you how to get it. You're preaching to the converted, so you might want to save your lectures for someone else.
 
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