Another Original, More of an 'Evil Power Groove"

[DeadSkinSlayer3]

Hey guys, got another one done tonight! I love this recording stuff!

Same drum technique, same V-amp2, Schecter, and bass, but this time I tracked the guitars 4 times - 2 hard left, 2 hard right.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/deadskinslayer36_music.htm

It's called Anubis, and I think the name is fitting. Check it out!

 

[Rotten Guitar String]

Re: Another Original, More of an 'Evil Power Groove"

I really like this one, nice riffs

I think it sounds better when you track the guitars left and right only, no centre

What program do you use for the drums?

 

[DeadSkinSlayer3]

Re: Another Original, More of an 'Evil Power Groove"

Midi programming in Nuendo 2, samples via Battery 2.

It probably sounds a ton better because I tweaked my tone for this one, and used a different cabinet simulation.

 

[SpiderVenom]

Re: Another Original, More of an 'Evil Power Groove"

I always think recordings sound better when you either just go center, or track split. Tracking split and center together is a bad idea imho... and how many CDs do you see bands doing it on? None of my music anyway (pre-Selloutica, Iron Maiden, Megadeth, etc).

 

[AmirH]

Re: Another Original, More of an 'Evil Power Groove"

If you're doing a quad track be sure to use a slightly different tone on at least two tracks or there's no point. It's plenty thick with only two guitars and four of the same tone makes it muddy. I like to use the same cab with a different amp and an eq that fills in the holes of the other first tone. I usually pan the second set of tracks only 80% each side since it offers some seperation without being too far center.

The riffage is neat though and the clean/keys ending part sounds really similar to something I wrote a while ago so of course I liked that

Neat stuff, keep it up.

 

[DeadSkinSlayer3]

Re: Another Original, More of an 'Evil Power Groove"

If you're doing a quad track be sure to use a slightly different tone on at least two tracks or there's no point. It's plenty thick with only two guitars and four of the same tone makes it muddy. I like to use the same cab with a different amp and an eq that fills in the holes of the other first tone. I usually pan the second set of tracks only 80% each side since it offers some seperation without being too far center.

The riffage is neat though and the clean/keys ending part sounds really similar to something I wrote a while ago so of course I liked that

Neat stuff, keep it up.

Ah, that's the newer version of it. As we speak, I'm working on it even more!

And, those weren't keys . Clean guitar with 2 hand tapping, rotary speakers sim, chorus, reverb, and delay.

 

[DeadSkinSlayer3]

Re: Another Original, More of an 'Evil Power Groove"

Allrightizzle! Finished it up! Besides one hang-up in the middle, it's done! Added a solo, and made it three times as long, now clocks in at just over 4 minutes, and I really like the outcome.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/deadskinslayer36_music.htm

 

[Johtosotku]

Re: Another Original, More of an 'Evil Power Groove"

Quite nice, quite nice. The rhythm guitar sound was a bit "muffled", not so much in my face as I would have liked, but otherwise nice. Surprisingly good tones from the V-amp!

The song itself was a good high-class song. Something to expect from a signed band. Just keep your standards high and get a band really going and you're set. Music like that could fill in the niche of "lighter-Nile"! I'm not saying that it's what you'd like to do or aim at doing, but that's what this one (1) track sounded like to me. And it's a good thing.

How long did it take you to learn to program those drums? I have a similar setup and I'm quite horrified by the prospect of using them. Seems like a hell of a lot of work!

Keep up the good work!

If you're doing a quad track be sure to use a slightly different tone on at least two tracks or there's no point. It's plenty thick with only two guitars and four of the same tone makes it muddy. I like to use the same cab with a different amp and an eq that fills in the holes of the other first tone. I usually pan the second set of tracks only 80% each side since it offers some seperation without being too far center.

I've found no such thing happening with my recordings. If you're a tight enough player, I think that songs sound the better the more guitars on them! I think that the last more professional song I did I had six guitar tracks and even doubled the bass!

 

[DeadSkinSlayer3]

Re: Another Original, More of an 'Evil Power Groove"

Thanks for the compliments, Johtosotku. I'm going to raise the rhythm guitars in the mix next time I record, I've gotten that complaint from more than just this forum.

It took me maybe 2-3 weeks to get to where I am with the drums, but I'm a real intuitive person - I try everything myself and just see where I get. It's actually not that hard once you get it down.

 

[StrangeSound]

Re: Another Original, More of an 'Evil Power Groove"

Dude, serious good stuff!!

 

[AmirH]

Re: Another Original, More of an 'Evil Power Groove"

I've found no such thing happening with my recordings. If you're a tight enough player, I think that songs sound the better the more guitars on them! I think that the last more professional song I did I had six guitar tracks and even doubled the bass!

Most pro albums only have two tracks of rhythm guitar. I think six would be overkill to say the least and could definitely cause some problems getting other things to stand out in the mix.

 

[Johtosotku]

Re: Another Original, More of an 'Evil Power Groove"

Most pro albums only have two tracks of rhythm guitar. I think six would be overkill to say the least and could definitely cause some problems getting other things to stand out in the mix.

Well, what suits some doesn't suit some others. I'll see if I get to post the clip I've done. Enough OT and more praise for DSS3!

 

[DeadSkinSlayer3]

Re: Another Original, More of an 'Evil Power Groove"

"I usually track gtrs 4 times, twice if we are really pushed for time, SM57 in the right place on a celestion vintage 30

Oh and I usually use two amps, so two tracks of each, I'm digging the peavey xxx at the moment with, dare I say it ...passive pick ups. Just used it on new Arch Enemy with mikes esp V, which has a Seymour Jeff Beck. That and a 5150 and it's sounds great.

Q/How many guitars?
A/when Im going for old school thrash then its usually 2, other stuff 4. Sometimes we vary amps, usually same cab, mic (s) and gtr

I'll usually use 2 different set ups (different amps) and track 2 of each, but you have to be a tight player to do this, I'll pan 2 hard left and right and 2 in slightly. Compression, I'll compress around 160, 200hz with a bandwith compressor."

-Andy Sneap

 

[vinterland]

Re: Another Original, More of an 'Evil Power Groove"

bandwidth compressor... cool idea, never thought to do that to a guitar.

 

[AmirH]

Re: Another Original, More of an 'Evil Power Groove"

"I usually track gtrs 4 times, twice if we are really pushed for time, SM57 in the right place on a celestion vintage 30

Oh and I usually use two amps, so two tracks of each, I'm digging the peavey xxx at the moment with, dare I say it ...passive pick ups. Just used it on new Arch Enemy with mikes esp V, which has a Seymour Jeff Beck. That and a 5150 and it's sounds great.

Q/How many guitars?
A/when Im going for old school thrash then its usually 2, other stuff 4. Sometimes we vary amps, usually same cab, mic (s) and gtr

I'll usually use 2 different set ups (different amps) and track 2 of each, but you have to be a tight player to do this, I'll pan 2 hard left and right and 2 in slightly. Compression, I'll compress around 160, 200hz with a bandwith compressor."

-Andy Sneap

Muhahah- I thought so. Still if it works well for him to track six of the same setup why not eh? Anyway- I like the clean guitar sound thingy, gonna have to try that.

 

[JammerMatt]

Re: Another Original, More of an 'Evil Power Groove"

That was good sheet! Nice composition, and I liked the lead tone.

-Matt

 

[Gearjoneser]

Re: Another Original, More of an 'Evil Power Groove"

I like that one and Nocturnus. Good songs, and the lead parts have good melodic sensibility. Now you'll have those to throw at a singer, as long as he's worthy.

 

[DeadSkinSlayer3]

Re: Another Original, More of an 'Evil Power Groove"

Thanks Joe! If my band keeps up, we might use both. I have to finish writing for Nocturnus, though.

The one I'm working on as we speak... More brutal than all of these! think of a lighter weight Nile.

 

[Johtosotku]

Re: Another Original, More of an 'Evil Power Groove"

The one I'm working on as we speak... More brutal than all of these! think of a lighter weight Nile.

So my assumption was correct after all, wasn't it?

Try to keep the band going, and try get some good musicians with similar interests around you. Don't be satisfied at only playing at home with all the stuff, people on internet forums may hear you and say that it's nice, but if you ever want more, get a real band going. When you really get going only by yourself, it gets harder and harder to do it with a band. One can kind of shoot oneself in the leg.

 

[DeadSkinSlayer3]

Re: Another Original, More of an 'Evil Power Groove"

So my assumption was correct after all, wasn't it?

Try to keep the band going, and try get some good musicians with similar interests around you. Don't be satisfied at only playing at home with all the stuff, people on internet forums may hear you and say that it's nice, but if you ever want more, get a real band going. When you really get going only by yourself, it gets harder and harder to do it with a band. One can kind of shoot oneself in the leg.

Yes, your assumption was correct pretty much, but I plan to do all types of metal. I love Demons and Wizards just as much as I love Nile, and I love Nevermore just as much as I love Opeth. It'll be pretty broad, musically, but I think that will work out well for me.

As for the band... I'd love to keep this one going, but we've got so many weird things going on. The keyboardist and the singer get along, but aren't the best of buds. Also, the keyboardist has an insanely animate, yet strange personality, it's hard to put a finger on. The drummer has ADD and doesn't practice as much as he should, but he said he'd start working a lot harder. The other guitarist lacks common sense, yet still runs the band fairly hard. **** gear, too. I have a feeling that before this school year is over, I will have become fed up with everything.

But, at the rate I'm going...2 songs a month...I could really get something started. I know I could keep my bassist, and have that covered. To start out doing shows, I'd most likely play to backing tracks of drums and another guitar, as well as synths if I decide to add them in. After every show, I could just announce that "hey, I'm looking for a drummer and another guitar player possibly. if you like the material, let me know." I'd need a vocalist, but I might end up just doing it myself. Oh the possibilities...