Ant II "Surfers" & Fralin "Blues Specials" What's in a name?

GKStrat

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This post is a question and observation about these two pickups.

Wanting to put the last missing piece of the puzzle in my project Strat I did the search for that "Desert Island" pickup that has the best of all worlds for vintage Strat tone. Authentic chime, tight focused warm low end, shimmering highs with a touch of air/glass but smooth at the top end of the spectrum, and enough mids to round out the picture.

I have not actually heard or played either but after reading several reviews, talking to people who have played both, and searching archival material, the two pickups that stood out after the dust settled are the Duncan "Surfers" and the Fralin "Blues Specials."

In researching the specs it seems they are both very close and, at least on paper, should sound very similar. First, they are both excellent pickups with craftsmanship assembly. They both have A5 magnets, they both use 42 SPN wire as far as I know. The Ohm readings on the neck & middle (rw/rp) are 6.2 on the Fralins, 7.2 on the bridge. For the Duncans its 6.3 on neck & middle (rw/rp), 9.7 on the custom bridge.

I found it interesting that the Duncans named "Surfers" should in theory actually sound a little more "bluesy" based on specs than the Fralins which have the "Blues" designation. Anyway, that's marketing stuff and they need to label product with some name. Another forum poster thought the "Surfers" should just be called "Masterwounds." Can't argue with that.

I know a lot of posters here use the "Texas Hots", or a least a combination of the two, but I'm a serious chime guy and have found its a little easier to use the tone control on a pickup that leans slightly to the bright side to fatten it up rather than dialing in shimmer on a pickup that is inherently darker. All things being relative, I've gotten some great tone and punch on a Fender CS69 bridge pickup which only specs out around 5.9K, so a "Surfer" custom bridge at 9.7 should be the bomb!

I found a post here from 2006 that asked if anyone had compared these two pickups but the answer was no. Maybe I've missed a thread that has the comparison since then but if not, has anyone compared the two and your thoughts?

Thanks!
 
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Re: Ant II "Surfers" & Fralin "Blues Specials" What's in a name?

welcome to the forum!

they are both great pups. i havent owned a set of fralins in a long time but when i had them i thought they were great.

the antiquity II's use 42 formvar wire, not spn. formvar is what fender used. spn is a more modern wire insulation. nothing wrong with it though, just different.

i still have my set of surfers and they sound wonderful. my favorite vintage style neck and middle pups
 
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Re: Ant II "Surfers" & Fralin "Blues Specials" What's in a name?

Thanks Jeremy,

This forum has a lot of good info and knowledge. Where the Fralins you owned Blues Specials?
 
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Re: Ant II "Surfers" & Fralin "Blues Specials" What's in a name?

vintage 54's were the most recent ones but i had the blues specials before. i have friends who still have the blues specials and we like them just fine. little different than my surfers but my surfers are in a custom made alder hardtail strat with a huge neck and brazillian rw fingerboard vs the maple neck american fender my buddy has the blues specials in.
 
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Re: Ant II "Surfers" & Fralin "Blues Specials" What's in a name?

I think SD amended the description of the Surfers after several forum members praised them:

Don't let the name fool you: the '60s Surfer™ pickup would be equally comfortable in the smoky clubs of Chicago's West Side as hanging ten at the Malibu Pier. The Antiquity II Surfer is hailed by many members of the Seymour Duncan User Group Forum as the ultimate pickup for vintage Strat® chime and quack. Whether you play Blues, West Side Soul, Surf, or Jangle Pop, the Surfer has the sweet highs and percussive lows to give you and your Strat a Free Ride on the Way Back Machine without sacrificing output or versatility. A Custom Bridge version is available for those players needing more output from the bridge position; and an RW/RP version is available for the middle position.

FYI, the custom bridge version is wound with 43 ga wire, so it's not a lot hotter than the neck & bridge -- actually, it's just right for the bridge position.
 
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Re: Ant II "Surfers" & Fralin "Blues Specials" What's in a name?

^ +1, I needs me another set!
 
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Re: Ant II "Surfers" & Fralin "Blues Specials" What's in a name?

Hey, come to think of it, I wrote that description!!!!
 
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Re: Ant II "Surfers" & Fralin "Blues Specials" What's in a name?

I think SD amended the description of the Surfers after several forum members praised them:

Don't let the name fool you: the '60s Surfer™ pickup would be equally comfortable in the smoky clubs of Chicago's West Side as hanging ten at the Malibu Pier. The Antiquity II Surfer is hailed by many members of the Seymour Duncan User Group Forum as the ultimate pickup for vintage Strat® chime and quack. Whether you play Blues, West Side Soul, Surf, or Jangle Pop, the Surfer has the sweet highs and percussive lows to give you and your Strat a Free Ride on the Way Back Machine without sacrificing output or versatility. A Custom Bridge version is available for those players needing more output from the bridge position; and an RW/RP version is available for the middle position.

FYI, the custom bridge version is wound with 43 ga wire, so it's not a lot hotter than the neck & bridge -- actually, it's just right for the bridge position.

I totally agree with that last sentence... I have the Ant II surf custom bridge on my fender strat, and it's the perfect strat bridge pickup, IMO. Just hot enough to not sound thin, but not so hot that it loses the great treble bite of a strat bridge. And the overdrive tones are amazing, a great rock pickup.
 
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I've owned them both and used them in the same guitar. As Jeremy noted, they're both great pickups.

The Surfers are brighter and sound like the pickups in the best sounding Strat I ever played: my step brother Bob's real '62 Strat. IMO, '62 was the very best year for vintage Stratocaster pickups. My own '63 is also a vintage Strat and sounds great - but the pickups are not quite as strong as those from '62. Strat pickups from 1962 might be the strongest Strat pickups Leo used in vintage Strats.

Seymour has noted that the Surfers are based on the '62 Strat pickup - although the Surfer Custom bridge pickup is not. It's wound to 9 - 10K and Leo never wound a vintage Strat pickup that strong. Sounds "right" though. Leo should have wound the bridge pickup that way instead of using three identically wound pickups in vintage Strats.

The Fralin Blues Specials are smoother sounding. Really great pickups but I prefer the Duncan Surfers.
 
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