Any opinions on the popularity of Schecter?

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Schecter's has a reputation for being metal guitars, but there's plenty of rock guitars that they make too. Check out their Retro series on their website.

Their basses are also pretty nice. I really dig the Session series.
 
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I really liked the C-1 Series, especially the one with P-90s. Never bought one of the others, as I'm not fond of 24 fret necks. Some of their other designs just slightly missed the mark for me--the 12-strings for example, but ever so close.

Schecter's USA Custom Shop puts out some great instruments, and they've been doing it for a long time.

Bill
 
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I've never ever played a Schecter. Wonder if I'm missing something there.
I loathe the abalone-craze thing they had a few years ago, and everything seemed to have a Floyd Rose in their catalog too. I'll check their site and see what's up now.
 
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He's implying that Shredders are the epitome of guitar technique and Nu-Metalers are just single string chugging. So anyone on the metal scale is represented.

Not just shredders and the Herman Lis of the world.

Brian Setzer comes to mind, but, if I recall, he didn't play Ibbys in the mid-late 90s.

And yes, I'm definitely biased toward learning to play the instrument in a professional environment with proper technique, being able to sight read and improvise, with daily chop building, the ability to visualize all shapes on the neck quickly, and so on. Classical and jazz guitar's use of voicings and inversions with chord melody is key for dressing up the same old chord progressions as something new.

That's a reason I never got heavily invested in blues aside from the genre's tone--it's all about tone and it seemed very formulaic (slow change, quick change, I IV V, and so on). Then again so is metal with pedal tones and everything being in E minor. I just prefer melody and minor sounds to a dominant 7 sound. But I'd definitely love to have Brian Setzer's chops and be able to use those in a Zakk Wylde kind of context.

One should be good enough to facilitate what one wants to play and not be limited by technique. That said, more interesting songs, to a point, can be created with superior technique because you have more tools in your box.

To a point. The djent metal of the last five years is an exception for me. It doesn't stick in my ear. It's simply playing challenging things for the sake of playing them with little intent of reaching out to the commercial listener, who has long established musical patterns in his/her mind (say, moving a part up a step to build tension toward the end of a song).

But, that music arose because of YouTube. Thanks to YouTube and other freely available information it should be easier to build one's chops than ever before. In the 80s-90s, adults played older Metallica. I now see kids 15 and 16 playing it because they had Guitar Pro show them and didn't have to pick things out by ear. The bar has now been raised and it's much more competitive to stand out. A lot of things sound the same, and so in the metal community people are using technique in order to look for the next angle on uniqueness and creativity (maybe at the expense of production, which is very slick and homogenized and doesn't take risks--like sounding bad on purpose in order to create color).

Anyway, I digress. Just defending my philosophy. I'm drawn to complex things.
 
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Interesting comments about Schecter. I never really knew much about them. I absolutely love my Diamond Series Blackjack. MIK, simple black set-neck with 5-layer binding all around. Duncan Distortions. I like the Fender-style 3-way because it lends itself perfectly to "Slutbucker" wiring. It's one of the best set-up and playable axe's I have. Definitely in my top-3 guitars.
 
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Off topic, but I would make the argument that due to the over abundance of complex and very progressive metal music, simpler music is almost a luxury. I'm not saying don't have chops, but not every song needs to be a 5 minute lesson in shredding or complex arrangements. You say it's much more competitive to stand out, but in an ocean of sweep picking, two hand tapping, and extended range guitars, it's sometimes more fun to hear some meat and potatoes rock and roll, because those guys are doing something that most people think is too easy or too commercial. I play guitar and I enjoy listening to people play well, but I don't always want to hear Yngwie tapping away either.
 
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In addition to everything else, I love how versatile a Schecter with a JB and a '59 is. When I play one, I find it comfortably hopping genres. While it may not sound quite like a Strat or a Les Paul or a shredstick, it will easily sound like something that should be playing whatever you're throwing at it.
 
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Somebody refresh my memory.

Somewhere along the trip, I played a Fender or two that seemed to feel like Schecters. Two guitars come to mind. First was a Fender Tele with a 12" fretboard radius - nice playing/sounding guitar. The other guitar was a Fender hard tail Strat with SD HB'ers that comes to mind and a wood finish - mahogany maybe, been awhile. Here was another Fender with a 12" radius and was an incredible playing and sounding Strat. If I wasn't paying some bills at the time, I would have bought the Strat.

Can anyone refresh my memory and tell me if this company made any Teles or Strats for Fender?
 
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They make great playing and great sounding guitars. They have earned their popularity.
I feel they are great guitars for the money.
 
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Off topic, but I would make the argument that due to the over abundance of complex and very progressive metal music, simpler music is almost a luxury. I'm not saying don't have chops, but not every song needs to be a 5 minute lesson in shredding or complex arrangements. You say it's much more competitive to stand out, but in an ocean of sweep picking, two hand tapping, and extended range guitars, it's sometimes more fun to hear some meat and potatoes rock and roll, because those guys are doing something that most people think is too easy or too commercial. I play guitar and I enjoy listening to people play well, but I don't always want to hear Yngwie tapping away either.

No worries about off topic. I let my threads go where they may.

I agree completely. Except we're totally inundated with every kind of music conceivable on a daily basis to the point that we've become desensitized even to things like free jazz. On top of that, we have to find ways to encourage consumers to purchase recorded music in an era where music is increasingly difficult to monetize at a profit because everything sounds the same to the listener. (That said, they also tend to buy and attend concerts with traditional tone, songwriting, and production--Nickelback and a lot of country artists that sound close to Nickelback come to mind, but we're also creatures of habit.)

All of those things considered, whenever I sit down to write a piece, both from a musical and production standpoint, the first thing I think is "How am I going to reinvent the wheel today?" It comes out in my gear as well in terms of having lots of options on a single axe and tons of plugins (I'm 34--seems guys my age are never very far from their laptops). I'm always looking for a new angle even though my inspirations are very conventional. Hard to get away from those descending E minor lines.

Some guys like meat and potatoes stuff, but many people can do that, and it has been done to death. 50s-70s music has been done to death. Pentatonics and blues have been done to death. If I were making bank doing cruise ship gigs, I might feel differently, though. But yes my viewpoint is cynical.

But technical doesn't have to always be shredding a million notes. Technique doesn't mean speed all the time. It just means having the theory knowledge (like counterpoint) and technical ability to write and perform without constraints. Eric Johnson's chords might be a good example.

As another example, in my world, people should be able to play on this level semi-casually in terms of technique, feel, and improvisation. I could never play like this, but it's a personal goal of mine to try to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZaB9urlkgA

This is very technical, but it's also musical and inspired. That said, it comes dangerously close to elevator music at times.

I feel like some musicians bash on technical players because they're intimidated and compensating for their own insecurity as players. "I can't play that many notes, but I make up for it with my tone." Great players make average players feel self conscious about their own ability, similar to regular people not liking body builders in a gym. And practicing chops all the time can take the fun and spontaneity out of what, for many people, is a hobby. It's understandable, but it shouldn't close the average player off to playing difficult things because they think technique lacks soul.

Practice is time consuming, but you end up investing an equal amount of time or more trying to write good music when you're technically inexperienced because you don't know what you're doing. Being able to translate what you hear in your head to your hands quickly saves you time instead of trying to figure out things by accident.

Unfortunately, so much time is spent perfecting one's technique. That is why I am a strong advocate for making sure artists are adequately monetized. All that time spent practicing could have been spent working at another profit making venture, and so the artist should be respected and compensated accordingly.
 
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Some guys like meat and potatoes stuff, but many people can do that, and it has been done to death. 50s-70s music has been done to death. Pentatonics and blues have been done to death. If I were making bank doing cruise ship gigs, I might feel differently, though. But yes my viewpoint is cynical.

Well my point was that so many bands now a days are looking to be the next John Petrucci or Yngwie that the more basic rock and metal go to the wayside. I think of AC/DC as the most fun band to listen to and I don't think we'll ever get another band like that. A band that's not about having the guitars in 3/2 while the drums are in 2/2 or a crazy concept album, but a band that wants you to get drunk on some beer and rock out. Steve Vai might be one of the best players, but "Highway to Hell" speaks much more to me than anything Vai has put out.
 
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i see more Schecters in music videos of artists from Japan
http://www.schecter.co.jp/schecterjapan/artistmodels/index.html

Those are not "Schecter" products,the Japanese division is related to ESP and not Schecter USA...different entities I'd say

In addition to everything else, I love how versatile a Schecter with a JB and a '59 is. When I play one, I find it comfortably hopping genres. While it may not sound quite like a Strat or a Les Paul or a shredstick, it will easily sound like something that should be playing whatever you're throwing at it.

Good point,that's the reason why I tend to recommend Schecters an LTDs to my friends who need a guitar for small gigs and live activity...they don't have the *twang* of a strat,the chewy sound of a LP or the shredding capabilities of an RG,but just seem to get close to everything and fit the bill nicely no matter what you play with em.
 
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You must be joking.
Hardly.I've played plenty RGs and Schecters (still have one),and while I find the C-1 (of course the one I was referring to in my previous post) being suitable for shredding,RGs are possibly made for that purpose,as generally speaking a thin neck is preferred for that kind of music.Of course it's just a matter of preference,some shred with LPs too no problem,but there's a reason why,if asked "what's the best guitar for shreddy stuff",RGs is always the first option suggested
 
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or the shredding capabilities of an RG,but just seem to get close to everything and fit the bill nicely no matter what you play with em.

You must be joking.

Hardly.I've played plenty RGs and Schecters (still have one),and while I find the C-1 (of course the one I was referring to in my previous post) being suitable for shredding,RGs are possibly made for that purpose,as generally speaking a thin neck is preferred for that kind of music.Of course it's just a matter of preference,some shred with LPs too no problem,but there's a reason why,if asked "what's the best guitar for shreddy stuff",RGs is always the first option suggested

Comes down to the person playing. I put together some RGs (and had a few Xiphos guitars) that sounded amazing but couldn't bond with the neck because it was too thin. I don't think I have huge hands, but they're big enough. (I tend to buy L or XL gloves.) Right now I've got a closet full of Schecters and the "less desirable" Ibanez guitars. (Arondites, ART models, and SZs). The necks on them are very similar thickness and quite comfortable. (Not saying that I'm a shredder, but I can play fairly quick rhythm guitar and not fatigue/cramp my hand like I did on an RG.)


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Big, tough, well done frets on wide radius fingerboards on a shapely neck shaft is what makes a shred friendly neck. It does not have to be ridiculously thin, really. You might have a preference but ultimately it's unfair to blame them for your own limitations, as long as they've done a good job shaping the neck, doing the fretwork and setup.

RGs are insanely popular thanks to mass production and heavy advertising. None of which has anything to do with Schecter.
 
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IIR, Ibanez Jems have pretty thin frets.

Also, I don't know about Schecter not doing advertising. Maybe not to people in the Strat/LP world. But metal guys have been inundated with glossy Schecter ads for years.

I've heard that some have chunky necks. Yet one of the most accomplished shredders out there, Jeff Loomis, works with one no problem.

I'd be so close to getting one if they didn't seem like an Ibanez crossed with a PRS. The lines, finishes, and sculpting are very pretty. I just need something a little edgier.
 
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Comes down to the person playing. I put together some RGs (and had a few Xiphos guitars) that sounded amazing but couldn't bond with the neck because it was too thin. I don't think I have huge hands, but they're big enough. (I tend to buy L or XL gloves.) Right now I've got a closet full of Schecters and the "less desirable" Ibanez guitars. (Arondites, ART models, and SZs). The necks on them are very similar thickness and quite comfortable. (Not saying that I'm a shredder, but I can play fairly quick rhythm guitar and not fatigue/cramp my hand like I did on an RG.)

Great collection Dominus,seriously.

Big, tough, well done frets on wide radius fingerboards on a shapely neck shaft is what makes a shred friendly neck. It does not have to be ridiculously thin, really. You might have a preference but ultimately it's unfair to blame them for your own limitations, as long as they've done a good job shaping the neck, doing the fretwork and setup.

RGs are insanely popular thanks to mass production and heavy advertising. None of which has anything to do with Schecter.
Don't get me wrong,I actually like shredding and my main guitar to do so is an Hellraiser,I've nothing but good words for the brand. I just meant that RGs are shred guitars for antonomasia,and the various C1 incarnations can stand on their own anyway.

That said,Schecters are masse produced and finely advertised as well imho
 
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