Anyone created the Everything 412?

[Gearjoneser]

I've been an amp junkie for most of my life, and it occured to me that I've heard every kind of cab, but a 4X mix.

I have a bunch of cabs with 50/50 mixes of V30 with 75's, H30, Greenback, Creamback, and Emi Swamp Thang... the best Blackface combo choice.

An Everything 412 sounds like a wise choice for an amp head collector. If you could choose between four speakers depending on the head, you'd have about 32+ tones.

 

[dave74]

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Have it so each speaker can be accessed individually?

 

[JeffB]

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If I had my druthers, I would use one single channel amp, 2 cabs and a switcher for the cabs.. instead of the "common wisdom" of a multi channel amp and one cab..

one cab with Ms for most of the grunt work and switch over to the H loaded cab for leads or when I plug in a single coil strat. Crunch away on the Ms, stomp on the switch and you get a thicker mix cutting sound, more sustain and a big volume boost. Perfect.

 

[dystrust]

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If I had my druthers, I would use one single channel amp, 2 cabs and a switcher for the cabs.. instead of the "common wisdom" of a multi channel amp and one cab..

one cab with Ms for most of the grunt work and switch over to the H loaded cab for leads or when I plug in a single coil strat. Crunch away on the Ms, stomp on the switch and you get a thicker mix cutting sound, more sustain and a big volume boost. Perfect.

I can't remember what it's called, but Radial makes a switch that does that.

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[PFDarkside]

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Are you aware of the Mesa Road King cabinet? Stereo 4x12" with half of it open back. You could do the X-Pattern on both sides for open back tone with Fendery speakers or closed back tone with British speakers.

Of course with all the builders today, I'm sure someone would build you whatever you can dream of inside a 4x12" cabinet. Basically you want a 4x12" cabinet with individual baffles for each speaker, right? Then do 4 inputs on the back?

 

[metlking]

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I've seen cabs in studios that had multiple speaker combos so you could get more micing options. Want a Greenback? top left, Vintage 30? Bottom right......G12H30? You get the picture....

My Marshall 1960a cabs are loaded with 4 different Scumback speakers. M75 X H75 in the top.....BH75 X BM75 in the bottom. Not "night and day" different, but it sounds damn good and put an end my speaker swapping phase!

 

[dystrust]

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I can't remember what it's called, but Radial makes a switch that does that.

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It's called the Cabbone.

 

[RogerMexiko]

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10 12 and 12 12 separate cabinets are my choice in a big venue. Mix of Celestions and Cannabis Rex, switch between or both, covers a lot of territory. Surprising what the 10 adds to the mix.

 

[Boogie Bill]

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The Mesa Road King cabs are great.

My preference is for the old Mesa Half-Back 212 and 412 cabs. EVMs in the closed bottom and C-90s in the open top. Good to go.

Bill

 

[Gearjoneser]

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Have it so each speaker can be accessed individually?

I wasn't really clear with my idea, but also contemplated adding something like a rotary knob that could activate single speakers or combinations. You'd still have to switch the amp's impedence accordingly.

At first, I was just seeing if anyone had a 412 with four different favorite speakers like metlking mentioned.

 

[Animal]

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I've mixed GT12-75, G12-H30, G12M-30 Greenback, and a WGS V30 copy in a Marshall JCM900 4x12.

In fact, YOU were the one who inspired me to try it out going back almost 10 years ago when you were pondering the same question. Kind of funny you haven't got around to doing it yet! How's that!?!?! HAAA!

How did it sound? Well it sounded fine, like a Celestion loaded cab should. What it did not sound is x4 as awesome. There's too much frequency overlap to be able to distinguish the character of each speaker and the final blend is not the sum of each one. Think of it like eating a handful of different jellybeans flavours. It will taste sweet but more than two at once your senses are probably not going to pick up on it.

It's a worthy experiment if you have the speakers lying around and the time to spare, but I think mixing two different speakers types at once is more optimal for finding a balanced blend.

 

[dave74]

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My dream 4X cab would probably be;

mesaV30/creambackM65 on tops and k100/mc90 bottoms

 

[El Dunco]

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I reckon some kind of switching system to choose different combinations of the different speakers within a 4x12 and wired to keep the impedance consistent would be awesome and what would be even better if they could make a digital interface for the speaker switching so you could use MIDI or similar to program speaker combination presets to your amp channels.

 

[Gearjoneser]

Re: Anyone created the Everything 412?

I've mixed GT12-75, G12-H30, G12M-30 Greenback, and a WGS V30 copy in a Marshall JCM900 4x12.

In fact, YOU were the one who inspired me to try it out going back almost 10 years ago when you were pondering the same question. Kind of funny you haven't got around to doing it yet! How's that!?!?! HAAA!

How did it sound? Well it sounded fine, like a Celestion loaded cab should. What it did not sound is x4 as awesome. There's too much frequency overlap to be able to distinguish the character of each speaker and the final blend is not the sum of each one. Think of it like eating a handful of different jellybeans flavours. It will taste sweet but more than two at once your senses are probably not going to pick up on it.

It's a worthy experiment if you have the speakers lying around and the time to spare, but I think mixing two different speakers types at once is more optimal for finding a balanced blend.

I tend to agree with the jellybean analogy, and even discussed it with Scumback and Celestion reps at shows. Surprisingly, they all prefer no mixes. They usually like choosing a speaker and loading cabs with just that one model.

My own preference for 412's is the loudest of two on bottom, and your favorite two on top. Criss crossing makes the sound change, depending on which side you're standing. 212's are probably best matched.

This is why I haven't committed to a 412 with four different speakers.....well I do have a 1960AHW with G75 bottom and V30/H30 top. Great cab. It may be my favorite, but my all V30 Bogner slant is just as good.