Anyone here do top-down mixing regularly?

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Does anyone in here do top-down mixing as a matter of course? I enjoy doing it for demos and roughs, but when working on a final mix, I always hate my top-down mixes and work bottom-up; just the way my brain works, I guess.

But I am curious if anyone here does top-down and would love to hear a sample.
 
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For those who don't know what the hell he's talking about:

Top down mixing is when you start processing on the master bus, then usually move down to your busses, then down to the individual tracks VS of course, the other way around.

I NEVER do this. With that said I think it's just the way I learned more than anything.
 
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I always start with down-top mixing

but then after processing on the master bus is done I adjust all my top down mixing

so yes, always :)
 
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At the very least I will test the mix with a rudimentary mastering setup on the master bus before mixing down to get an idea of how it will sound when it gets mastered and sometimes mix with the mastering plugins on as the mix can be altered in the mastering process and I'd rather not get any nasty surprises.
 
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Open for discussion:

Does anyone in here do top-down mixing as a matter of course? I enjoy doing it for demos and roughs, but when working on a final mix, I always hate my top-down mixes and work bottom-up; just the way my brain works, I guess.

 
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I don't know but some day I'd like to take a course or something to figure out how to really mix something.
 
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At the very least I will test the mix with a rudimentary mastering setup on the master bus before mixing down to get an idea of how it will sound when it gets mastered and sometimes mix with the mastering plugins on as the mix can be altered in the mastering process and I'd rather not get any nasty surprises.
Do you A/B your mix with and without Izotope (or whatever you have on the 2 bus) as you are mixing?
 
Re: Anyone here do top-down mixing regularly?

At the very least I will test the mix with a rudimentary mastering setup on the master bus before mixing down to get an idea of how it will sound when it gets mastered and sometimes mix with the mastering plugins on as the mix can be altered in the mastering process and I'd rather not get any nasty surprises.

I will do this too. I also do a 'quick master' before I send to my band-mates so they don't cry about low volume. But that's more just for volume than anything.

I don't know but some day I'd like to take a course or something to figure out how to really mix something.

Gotta put in tons of time as well!

Do you A/B your mix with and without Izotope (or whatever you have on the 2 bus) as you are mixing?

I know you asked Beer$ but I don't A/B as I mix.
 
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When I have all of the elements completed for a song, and I do my static, zero-fader demo (some people refer to it as a 'flash mix'), I will throw a plugs across the 2 bus and on any instruments that can use some finessing. When it's mix time, however, I will remove everything and start from scratch in a brand-new session.

My usual order is: overheads, snare, kick, bass guitar, toms/hihat/percussion, guitars, synths/keys/orchestration, vocals.
 
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Do you A/B your mix with and without Izotope (or whatever you have on the 2 bus) as you are mixing?
Of course. Something sounding nice and punchy on a mixdown can get neutered if the mastering is too heavy and the drums aren't loud enough.
 
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Whenever I'm creating something and on the run of ideas or have to work really fast I tend to engage the masterchain and do even tracking soundchecks when it's on, top-down. When everything is ready considering the content I adjust some small things before finalising. It supports anything spontaneous.

Whenever I build the soundscape around an existing concept and there is more time for mixing than approx. 4 hours per track I tend to work bottom-up. It supports anything calculated.

top-down:



bottom-up:

 
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After a long time of mixing and trying to learn what works, I have somewhat settled on a handful of track settings, buss settings and master buss settings that work for me to make some particular sounds I like in an overall mix. (Though I still learn something every time I sit at the desk - this process never ends) While tracking, I turn all that off and get the individual tracks sounding as good as possible. When exporting dailies I will try a level balance with the raw tracks to hear what I've got, and I might turn on the master buss to glue everything but still hear the 'raw' tracks coming through a bit and export that as a comparison. When mixing, instrument by instrument I'll turn my 'fav' track / buss settings on/off and just solo and fix individual bits that need it.
 
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I'm a hack from way back, so basically whatever instrument I take the inspiration from - guitar figure, bass pattern, drum groove and tone, etc - will get the most attention. I do try to get everything "pre-mixed" going into the track - if I start with the drums' overall tone, I dial up a bass tone that won't get buried by the kick or multiply its low-end (buh-bye, speakers!), then the guitar tone gets EQ'd so it doesn't multiply the bass or the kick, but also doesn't boost the cymbals' sizzle or sound like a droning buzz (unless I want a droning buzz layer).
Or if I start with the drums' overall tone, I'll get the guitar tone going and then try to weasel the bass in there last.

If it starts with the guitar tone, the drums go down just as a time-keeper initially, as I usually have a bass tone and sequence in mind as the guitar parts flesh out (the bass could be busy under the sustained chords, so it has to stand out without stepping on anything), and then I fight with the drum EQ to keep everything audible but separate as much as possible.
In the rare cases where I get the guitar first and drums second, the bass will most likely get a very low "throb" tone that accents the kick, or otherwise holds a steady pattern.

I despise post-work, especially when the equipment offers enough options of getting a "mixed" tone as it records the tracks, but I have been contemplating the possibilities of a wider range of tonal options with recording everything as clean, flat, and dry as possible and then futzing with post-processing. On average it takes about the same amount of time as presetting everything so it goes in the way I want it to come out, but offers very little flexibility in the event I actually play in a live environment and need to compensate for the room.
 
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I think your original way is best: way better to commit to a sound from the beginning.
 
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I have no knowledge or skill with mixing. As a result, my final "mixes" all sound very rudimentary at best.
 
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I think your original way is best: way better to commit to a sound from the beginning.

The down-side is it generally results in several songs with completely different tonal characters, like a bunch of cover bands doing a song from the same artist.
On the plus-side, I can justify my rack gear by using a dozen different rack presets :lol:

Another downside is that one 12-track CD plays hell with a given stereo's EQ "style" presets. Nobody wants to keep switching between Pop, Jazz, and Rock presets, especially me :lol:

I've tried changing the tones to be more consistent once I've got everything fleshed out, but most of the time it loses the entire vibe I was feeling when inspiration first struck, which changes the dynamics and the playing itself.
 
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The down-side is it generally results in several songs with completely different tonal characters, like a bunch of cover bands doing a song from the same artist.
On the plus-side, I can justify my rack gear by using a dozen different rack presets :lol:

Another downside is that one 12-track CD plays hell with a given stereo's EQ "style" presets. Nobody wants to keep switching between Pop, Jazz, and Rock presets, especially me :lol:

I've tried changing the tones to be more consistent once I've got everything fleshed out, but most of the time it loses the entire vibe I was feeling when inspiration first struck, which changes the dynamics and the playing itself.
Just leave the preset to flat or custom preset that lets you do the bass/mid/treble to the system and mix to reference tracks.
 
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