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Re: Anyone Out There Using In-Ear Monitors?
Monitors?? What the hell are those???
Monitors?? What the hell are those???
Anyone Out There Using In-Ear Monitors?
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andrizzle
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Re: Anyone Out There Using In-Ear Monitors?
we use them at church.... there's a separate board dedicated to the In-Ears with individual mixes for each player/singer...
if you're looking for 'buds then Shure's got a fantastic deal on their SCL3's right now (if you get them in white... they're going for $60... normally $150) but if you want the "bees knees" of 'buds then go for Westone UM2's or the UM3's if you can afford it..... I can't justify spending $299 + on in-ears... but if I find the right paying gig sooner or later then I'll spring for them!
we use them at church.... there's a separate board dedicated to the In-Ears with individual mixes for each player/singer...
if you're looking for 'buds then Shure's got a fantastic deal on their SCL3's right now (if you get them in white... they're going for $60... normally $150) but if you want the "bees knees" of 'buds then go for Westone UM2's or the UM3's if you can afford it..... I can't justify spending $299 + on in-ears... but if I find the right paying gig sooner or later then I'll spring for them!
RockStarNick
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Re: Anyone Out There Using In-Ear Monitors?
This is the problem I'm having.
I got the PSM200s. As far as hearing my own voice, its amazing. NEver heard it clearer in my life.
The problem is, you can't hear ANYTHING else.
- haven't found a soundman yet who really wants to help me out and send an aux mix, or, just doesn't know how, or just says NO.
- tried using an SM58 as an ambient mic, and the tone of the rest of the band sounded like we were playing in a tin can. not good.
I hate to sell them, because they work well for vocals... perhaps I'll just use them in rehearsal. i dunno.
If I was JUST a lead singer, I think I might like them. But since I play guitar AND sing, it just won't work out.
This is the problem I'm having.
I got the PSM200s. As far as hearing my own voice, its amazing. NEver heard it clearer in my life.
The problem is, you can't hear ANYTHING else.
- haven't found a soundman yet who really wants to help me out and send an aux mix, or, just doesn't know how, or just says NO.
- tried using an SM58 as an ambient mic, and the tone of the rest of the band sounded like we were playing in a tin can. not good.
I hate to sell them, because they work well for vocals... perhaps I'll just use them in rehearsal. i dunno.
If I was JUST a lead singer, I think I might like them. But since I play guitar AND sing, it just won't work out.
Re: Anyone Out There Using In-Ear Monitors?
Nick, you can't use an SM58 for an ambient mic. It's designed to pick up signals that are close to it. Try a condenser mic. Even something cheap condenser mic will work pretty well. Put one on each side of the stage and aim it at the crowd.
Also IEM's work better if you can run them in stereo when putting both your guitar and vocal into them.
Nick, you can't use an SM58 for an ambient mic. It's designed to pick up signals that are close to it. Try a condenser mic. Even something cheap condenser mic will work pretty well. Put one on each side of the stage and aim it at the crowd.
Also IEM's work better if you can run them in stereo when putting both your guitar and vocal into them.
Re: Anyone Out There Using In-Ear Monitors?
when we did the in ear thing, we used an onyx 1640 board so each guy could have their own mix. we set up two small condenser mics to pickup room sound and mic'd or di'd everything. it worked ok but was a pita and not as good as running good wedges. like i said it felt like being in a studio. i like being in the studio but it sure as hell aint the same thing as playing live. sure you can still look at the chick in the front row pushing em together but its harder to pick out what she is shouting.
if you play big arenas where it sounds like a huge cave and have a great setup and good sound guy i can see them being a god send but for clubs the expense for a good setup and the extra hassle involved just isnt worth it.
when we did the in ear thing, we used an onyx 1640 board so each guy could have their own mix. we set up two small condenser mics to pickup room sound and mic'd or di'd everything. it worked ok but was a pita and not as good as running good wedges. like i said it felt like being in a studio. i like being in the studio but it sure as hell aint the same thing as playing live. sure you can still look at the chick in the front row pushing em together but its harder to pick out what she is shouting.
if you play big arenas where it sounds like a huge cave and have a great setup and good sound guy i can see them being a god send but for clubs the expense for a good setup and the extra hassle involved just isnt worth it.
ImmortalSix
John Mayer's Mankini
Re: Anyone Out There Using In-Ear Monitors?
Yeah, just about every single professional touring act.
Yeah, just about every single professional touring act.
Pink Unicorn Horsey
Megä Pöny Rÿdr
Re: Anyone Out There Using In-Ear Monitors?
But with IEMs, even if she's shouting "You'll never have this," you can block it out and pretend she's saying something else.
But with IEMs, even if she's shouting "You'll never have this," you can block it out and pretend she's saying something else.
Pink Unicorn Horsey
Megä Pöny Rÿdr
Re: Anyone Out There Using In-Ear Monitors?
This IEM thread is getting much hotter than I had expected!
This IEM thread is getting much hotter than I had expected!
Hellion
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Re: Anyone Out There Using In-Ear Monitors?
I don't really like them. They're okay, especially on a HUGE stage, but I come from an era where the FOH system took care of the volume and monitors were the norm; ie, stage volume wasn't really all THAT loud. Even today, after 32 years, I don't really have much of a hearing loss. You show me a band that's too loud and I'll show you a band that's inexperienced. The thing I miss when I'm using in-ear systems is the ambient sound of a band. And if the mix is even just a tiny bit off, it throws me for a loop, which is something that doesn't happen with a normal monitor wedge system.
I don't really like them. They're okay, especially on a HUGE stage, but I come from an era where the FOH system took care of the volume and monitors were the norm; ie, stage volume wasn't really all THAT loud. Even today, after 32 years, I don't really have much of a hearing loss. You show me a band that's too loud and I'll show you a band that's inexperienced. The thing I miss when I'm using in-ear systems is the ambient sound of a band. And if the mix is even just a tiny bit off, it throws me for a loop, which is something that doesn't happen with a normal monitor wedge system.
guitfiddle
firstlessonologist
Re: Anyone Out There Using In-Ear Monitors?
I think the main draw for them is for the soundguys...they can go into a room, and just set the knobs the same as always while the band sets the amps exactly the same, and the monitor mix plus front of house is set. All that's left is to EQ the room.
Wedges take a bit more work to dial in to a particular room, but the pros outweigh the cons for me.
I think the main draw for them is for the soundguys...they can go into a room, and just set the knobs the same as always while the band sets the amps exactly the same, and the monitor mix plus front of house is set. All that's left is to EQ the room.
Wedges take a bit more work to dial in to a particular room, but the pros outweigh the cons for me.
NecroPolo
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Re: Anyone Out There Using In-Ear Monitors?
I don't know if it works for you, but IEM ruin the show for me, for sure. You totally depend on a proper monitor mix and if somethig goes wrong with it during the show - BANG! You're dead.
Back in time when I started playing music, after my first loud band rehearsal I suffered a temporary decrease of hearing (there's still a deaf "spot" between 12300 and 12400 KHz, below and above my ears are pretty sharp). As it turned out, I'm extremely sensitive of high volume levels. I had no choice but using military grade earplugs to protect my hearing. First it was muffled and uncomfortable but I got used to it and since that I've been playing all my gigs with the earlpugs in. That was 20 years ago. During that time I played metal, with beast-grade drummers who slay the snare with 100dB hits. During that time sometiemes I played in places where most people wouldn't even dare to crap in, many times with no controls at all, no proper PA and sometimes no anything. I had my cranked stack behind and 100dB snare hits - and people waiting for a show. I got used to it and realised that playing a good show and going mad onstage has nothing to do with my hi-fi enjoyment. Later when I started singing I realised that using earplugs can be a blessing because that means total independence from all the usually incompetent monitor techies and I can sing in the key and rhythm folowing my cranked amp and them snare hits. Times changed and we started to play in bigger places, with decent to good equipment. Way back I could perform well in dirt so I felt no need for a change. Up to this very day, I ask for only snare, kick, some bass and "NO MY VOCALS, PLZ" in my monitor If the house has enough power do deal with my 2x50W rig, it stands behind. If it screams over the PA, I put it on the side.
As a co-writer of 2 songs of her new album, last summer I joinded Anges Vanilla on her yearly show in Palace of Arts, BP. 32 guys onstage: half an orchestra, male choir, four guitarists, sampler crew, Steinway piano, a roll of synths and who knows what. The producer wanted an as silent stage as possible ("classical musicians of the band would lose their playing comfort and hearing blah blah") so we were supposed to use the otherwise great IEM system of the house. I thought I'll give a try. During the monitor check it was artificial and uncomfortable but otherwise okay.
By the time of the show, something changed. Maybe some interference, a battery, maybe a sudden coffee pot on my dedicated AUX channel mix, I don't know but the mix was a bad joke. On the run of the strictly composed show of 32 guys and no pause between the songs, there was just no way to fix it. I had to deal and fight with that mess. There was no way of the required communication to make an another monitor mix for me. Then, there was a nice part when I supposed to play along with an acoustic guitar. The guy stood on the other side of the stage. I realised that key elements disappeared from my mix, for example acoustic guitar. I removed my IEM, but still heard nothing at all, not even myself properly. Silent stage, the acoustic guitar guy is far away, my cab is miles behind and no traditional monitors around, at least not around me... So instead of the tasty bluesy solo I was supposed to play, probably I did some off-the-rhythm, uncertain, slow abusive funky waka-chica in the key of Z-major whatever. That was terrible. My performance was destroyed.
There was an another show with the same big band in October. The producer forced that silent stage idea again. I said no refined mumbo jumbo this time, I'll set my rig the way I want and the only way of survival of the orchestra guys sitting before my cab and cranking back the volume pot on my amp is to put my guitar and snare in my monitor, loud. On my part, I stormed the stage this time with confidence. :firedevil
I realised that during all my life I played dirty music in dirty places for MoFos like myself the dirty way only so I should keep that way and use the methods that work for me.
I don't know if it works for you, but IEM ruin the show for me, for sure. You totally depend on a proper monitor mix and if somethig goes wrong with it during the show - BANG! You're dead.
Back in time when I started playing music, after my first loud band rehearsal I suffered a temporary decrease of hearing (there's still a deaf "spot" between 12300 and 12400 KHz, below and above my ears are pretty sharp). As it turned out, I'm extremely sensitive of high volume levels. I had no choice but using military grade earplugs to protect my hearing. First it was muffled and uncomfortable but I got used to it and since that I've been playing all my gigs with the earlpugs in. That was 20 years ago. During that time I played metal, with beast-grade drummers who slay the snare with 100dB hits. During that time sometiemes I played in places where most people wouldn't even dare to crap in, many times with no controls at all, no proper PA and sometimes no anything. I had my cranked stack behind and 100dB snare hits - and people waiting for a show. I got used to it and realised that playing a good show and going mad onstage has nothing to do with my hi-fi enjoyment. Later when I started singing I realised that using earplugs can be a blessing because that means total independence from all the usually incompetent monitor techies and I can sing in the key and rhythm folowing my cranked amp and them snare hits. Times changed and we started to play in bigger places, with decent to good equipment. Way back I could perform well in dirt so I felt no need for a change. Up to this very day, I ask for only snare, kick, some bass and "NO MY VOCALS, PLZ" in my monitor
If the house has enough power do deal with my 2x50W rig, it stands behind. If it screams over the PA, I put it on the side.As a co-writer of 2 songs of her new album, last summer I joinded Anges Vanilla on her yearly show in Palace of Arts, BP. 32 guys onstage: half an orchestra, male choir, four guitarists, sampler crew, Steinway piano, a roll of synths and who knows what. The producer wanted an as silent stage as possible ("classical musicians of the band would lose their playing comfort and hearing blah blah") so we were supposed to use the otherwise great IEM system of the house. I thought I'll give a try. During the monitor check it was artificial and uncomfortable but otherwise okay.
By the time of the show, something changed. Maybe some interference, a battery, maybe a sudden coffee pot on my dedicated AUX channel mix, I don't know but the mix was a bad joke. On the run of the strictly composed show of 32 guys and no pause between the songs, there was just no way to fix it. I had to deal and fight with that mess. There was no way of the required communication to make an another monitor mix for me. Then, there was a nice part when I supposed to play along with an acoustic guitar. The guy stood on the other side of the stage. I realised that key elements disappeared from my mix, for example acoustic guitar. I removed my IEM, but still heard nothing at all, not even myself properly. Silent stage, the acoustic guitar guy is far away, my cab is miles behind and no traditional monitors around, at least not around me... So instead of the tasty bluesy solo I was supposed to play, probably I did some off-the-rhythm, uncertain, slow abusive funky waka-chica in the key of Z-major whatever. That was terrible. My performance was destroyed.
There was an another show with the same big band in October. The producer forced that silent stage idea again. I said no refined mumbo jumbo this time, I'll set my rig the way I want and the only way of survival of the orchestra guys sitting before my cab and cranking back the volume pot on my amp is to put my guitar and snare in my monitor, loud. On my part, I stormed the stage this time with confidence. :firedevil
I realised that during all my life I played dirty music in dirty places for MoFos like myself the dirty way only so I should keep that way and use the methods that work for me.
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LesStrat
Reining PunLowered
Re: Anyone Out There Using In-Ear Monitors?
We have an Axiom system at church with individual digital monitoring stations. I like the reduction in stage volume. I like being able to instantly adjust my monitor mix without having to get the stage manager's attention.
We DON'T have an ambient mic, and there IS an isolation issue. Frankly, if we had a decent ambient mic, I'd probably turn down EVERYTHING else in my mix. I like to hear the house mix and where I fit in it.
For the band, I don't think we'll ever go IEM. Besides, I just purchased a JBL EON 15 wedge that is PHENOMENAL. Great clarity, minimal ear fatigue.
We have an Axiom system at church with individual digital monitoring stations. I like the reduction in stage volume. I like being able to instantly adjust my monitor mix without having to get the stage manager's attention.
We DON'T have an ambient mic, and there IS an isolation issue. Frankly, if we had a decent ambient mic, I'd probably turn down EVERYTHING else in my mix. I like to hear the house mix and where I fit in it.
For the band, I don't think we'll ever go IEM. Besides, I just purchased a JBL EON 15 wedge that is PHENOMENAL. Great clarity, minimal ear fatigue.
