Anyone try a Pearly Gates bridge model in the neck position?

[Falloffthebonetone]

Tried searching and not much came up.
Anyone try it? I know the bridge version is apparently a deal brighter and hotter than the neck version, seems like it would make a cool neck pickup.

So anyone ever do it? Did you mag swap it? If so how did it work out?
Just curious.

Side note* in your opinion, which is hotter, a 59b or a PGb?
PG often gets toted as a hotter than usual PAF while the 59 just is sort of marketed as a "classic" PAF style with modern tweaks. On paper the 59 seems it would be louder with similar design, DC, but an a5 mag instead of an a2.

 

[Gearjoneser]

Re: Anyone try a Pearly Gates bridge model in the neck position?

Like a lot of vintage spec bridge pickups, it'll be just fine in the neck position. In my experience, if you're a lead player, it sings quite well in the neck position, but will do clean rhythm a little less perfect than a true neck pickup.

It's not that it's brighter. That only has to do with it's position in relation to the strings. It's just got a few more winds on it. Compared to a 59, it has less of that bulky low end, and it's high end has more sweetness and less ultimate clarity.

If I could go back in time, I'd own no 59N's, and have PGn's instead. But I do like the 59b more than the PGb, because of the tightness in the lows and high end clarity.

 

[Demanic]

Re: Anyone try a Pearly Gates bridge model in the neck position?

Put an A4 in it and I bet it would do clean rhythm just fine.

 

[Falloffthebonetone]

Re: Anyone try a Pearly Gates bridge model in the neck position?

It's not that it's brighter. That only has to do with it's position in relation to the strings.

Right, I know this. However, I was under the impression that if you were to use both in the bridge position (same relation to the strings), the bridge pickup (despite being wound hotter and with the same mag) would still be brighter than the neck pickup. I assumed it was just the way they were wound that would contribute to the tonal difference since they were replicas of existing pickups (courtesy of Rev. Willy) and not necessarily created from the ground up to be a matched set. Or were they?

Looking at the tone chart the PGn has a higher resonance peak than the PGb.

I mean at this point I get kind of confused with how things are wound. Custom family is all the same wind with different mags, A2pro and Jazz are the same wind with different mags, I've heard that the Full Shred is the same wind and mag as the Custom 5 just with hex poles, and that the JB, Distortion are the same winds with different mags too. Are the Dimebucker and Invader wound the same as the JB? What about the Black Winter? The PG and the 59 aren't the same wind with a different mag right? I never got that impression.

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: Anyone try a Pearly Gates bridge model in the neck position?

Right, I know this. However, I was under the impression that if you were to use both in the bridge position (same relation to the strings), the bridge pickup (despite being wound hotter and with the same mag) would still be brighter than the neck pickup. I assumed it was just the way they were wound that would contribute to the tonal difference since they were replicas of existing pickups (courtesy of Rev. Willy) and not necessarily created from the ground up to be a matched set. Or were they?

Looking at the tone chart the PGn has a higher resonance peak than the PGb.

I mean at this point I get kind of confused with how things are wound. Custom family is all the same wind with different mags, A2pro and Jazz are the same wind with different mags, I've heard that the Full Shred is the same wind and mag as the Custom 5 just with hex poles, and that the JB, Distortion are the same winds with different mags too. Are the Dimebucker and Invader wound the same as the JB? What about the Black Winter? The PG and the 59 aren't the same wind with a different mag right? I never got that impression.

Dimebucker no not even close to the same wind. its a completely different bobbin so it cant be. The JB,Distortion and Invader (and stag mag) debate will start fights. But lets say this if they arent the same they are extremely similar.

Dont forget that beyond dc resistance and mag types there are wind patterns and wire types that influence the sound also.

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: Anyone try a Pearly Gates bridge model in the neck position?

Put an A4 in it and I bet it would do clean rhythm just fine.

Why wouldnt it do clean rhythm with an A2? what is it lacking that the A4 will magically give it?

 

[Falloffthebonetone]

Re: Anyone try a Pearly Gates bridge model in the neck position?

Dont forget that beyond dc resistance and mag types there are wind patterns and wire types that influence the sound also.

Yep that's what I was asking about.

 

[elelpe]

Re: Anyone try a Pearly Gates bridge model in the neck position?

I assumed it was just the way they were wound that would contribute to the tonal difference since they were replicas of existing pickups (courtesy of Rev. Willy) and not necessarily created from the ground up to be a matched set. Or were they? ... The PG and the 59 aren't the same wind with a different mag right? I never got that impression.

I see where you're coming from. You've got a valid point here. It makes me curious too. I never tried PGb in the neck but PG+. I know it's different (more turn with A5). It's a lot closer to '59n than PGn though. I'd say it's kind of a louder '59 with subdued low end and high end, more mid yet still scooped. It's my favorite vintage sounding pickup in the neck actually, along with Screamin' Demon that has more modern flavor.

 

[IndySG]

Re: Anyone try a Pearly Gates bridge model in the neck position?

Tried searching and not much came up.
Anyone try it? I know the bridge version is apparently a deal brighter and hotter than the neck version, seems like it would make a cool neck pickup.

So anyone ever do it? Did you mag swap it? If so how did it work out?
Just curious.

Side note* in your opinion, which is hotter, a 59b or a PGb?
PG often gets toted as a hotter than usual PAF while the 59 just is sort of marketed as a "classic" PAF style with modern tweaks. On paper the 59 seems it would be louder with similar design, DC, but an a5 mag instead of an a2.

I have a PG bridge in the neck slot of my Epi Sheraton - sounds fine, and as I remember Dr. Barlow? also tried one and liked it...

 

[blueman335]

Re: Anyone try a Pearly Gates bridge model in the neck position?

Whatever a PU sounds like in the bridge, it's going to sound warmer in the neck slot. You'll get more mids and low end, and less treble. For some PU's, that may work. Depends on what kind of neck tones you want.

 

[daveyisgreat]

Re: Anyone try a Pearly Gates bridge model in the neck position?

I've had a PG bridge in the neck position of this guitar for years and years (JB in the bridge) and it flat out kills. It's a great pickup in the neck position. Enough output to really sing, and sounds big and clear. I think the PG bridge is one of the best neck pickups out there.

 

[elelpe]

Re: Anyone try a Pearly Gates bridge model in the neck position?

I've had a PG bridge in the neck position of this guitar for years and years [/url]

Did you have any other Duncan pickup in the neck before? If yes, how does the PG compare to it as far as you can remember? Tell us more. Pretty grain on that body!

 

[Aceman]

Re: Anyone try a Pearly Gates bridge model in the neck position?

I don't know where people get the idea that the neck models are "wound" in some magical way to make it better for the neck. TTBOMK, they are simply not would quite as hot.

As Joe said - difference comes from mostly the location more than anything. I generally find the output differences in standard PAF styles trivial.

 

[Falloffthebonetone]

Re: Anyone try a Pearly Gates bridge model in the neck position?

Whatever a PU sounds like in the bridge, it's going to sound warmer in the neck slot. You'll get more mids and low end, and less treble. For some PU's, that may work. Depends on what kind of neck tones you want.

Dude, thank you, but I said before that I already know that. I was saying even STILL if you put them in the same position, the bridge for the PG specifically would be brighter then it's neck position counterpart. Like there was an exception to it.

 

[Falloffthebonetone]

Re: Anyone try a Pearly Gates bridge model in the neck position?

I don't know where people get the idea that the neck models are "wound" in some magical way to make it better for the neck. TTBOMK, they are simply not would quite as hot.

As Joe said - difference comes from mostly the location more than anything. I generally find the output differences in standard PAF styles trivial.

Dude, once again. I know that is how it works for like EVERY OTHER PICKUP in Duncan's line. But this set is a replica of a sole existing set and not just something created from the ground up to be duncan. In 1959, coils were wound until they were full and wind pattern or coil amount was not totally paid attention too. That is why I thought, with THESE pickups, there would be an exception and the wind patterns would be different from another, not just more winds on one than the other.

 

[Buzzin_Cousin]

Re: Anyone try a Pearly Gates bridge model in the neck position?

Tried searching and not much came up.
Anyone try it? I know the bridge version is apparently a deal brighter and hotter than the neck version, seems like it would make a cool neck pickup.

So anyone ever do it? Did you mag swap it? If so how did it work out?
Just curious.

Side note* in your opinion, which is hotter, a 59b or a PGb?
PG often gets toted as a hotter than usual PAF while the 59 just is sort of marketed as a "classic" PAF style with modern tweaks. On paper the 59 seems it would be louder with similar design, DC, but an a5 mag instead of an a2.

Yes I have a bridge PG in the neck of a tele. I love it.

 

[blueman335]

Re: Anyone try a Pearly Gates bridge model in the neck position?

Dude, once again. I know that is how it works for like EVERY OTHER PICKUP in Duncan's line.

Rather than argue with people that are trying to help you, why don't you just get a PGB and find out?

 

[Falloffthebonetone]

Re: Anyone try a Pearly Gates bridge model in the neck position?

Rather than argue with people that are trying to help you, why don't you just get a PGB and find out?

Because I am not arguing, I am clarifying. Arguing means I disagree with you. I agree completely and was just letting you and Aceman, (both opinions I respect tremendously) know that I agree completely with what was said. But it wasn't what I was talking about.
Also because I'm not too comfortable dropping 90 dollars without a little more info from people who have experience. Sorry.

 

[blueman335]

Re: Anyone try a Pearly Gates bridge model in the neck position?

I'm not too comfortable dropping 90 dollars without a little more info from people who have experience. Sorry.

Not that much of a risk. Duncan has a return policy, and if you buy used, you can get one for around half price.

 

[daveyisgreat]

Re: Anyone try a Pearly Gates bridge model in the neck position?

It's always had the PGb in the neck. I really can't say enough about how good it sounds there. It's awesome!

BTW, the guitar has an alder body, redwood top, maple neck, ebony fretboard. The PGb works great with these particular pieces of wood in this particular guitar, but as always, results may vary.