Anyone use 335 with tons of gain?

[sosomething]

Re: Anyone use 335 with tons of gain?

A lot of it has to do with the pickups being fully potted. Unpotted PAF's may be a problem, but the 57 Classics that come in a Gibson ES-335 are potted, so it's never given me any squeal. The howl you might get from the body is easily controlled by your proximity to the amp.

Unless you're playing one of those tiny stages that basically only gives you enough room to stand right in front of your amp.

But yeah.

They also sell those foam inserts that plug your F-holes to reduce feedback. I don't know anyone who has used them though, so I'm not sure how effective they are.

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: Anyone use 335 with tons of gain?

It can be done...Tripp that used to play with Static-X used to play a hot rodded Epi Dot with Static-X and used more gain than is allowed in most states and had NO feedback issues...

BTW the feedback at the start of this clip are a mix of keyboard samples and feedback that Tripp let happen on purpose...

 

[blueman335]

Re: Anyone use 335 with tons of gain?

Unless you're playing one of those tiny stages that basically only gives you enough room to stand right in front of your amp.

That's the average bar stage, built as an afterthought.

 

[lex666]

Re: Anyone use 335 with tons of gain?

Check out Foo Fighters and Green Day. They've been using semi-hollows live and they sound terrific. Feedback was never a concern.

 

[Rich_S]

Re: Anyone use 335 with tons of gain?

My kid brought along Hiatt's Budokan live CD to listen to in the car the other night, and I was pleasantly reminded what a great and "different" tone Michael Ward got on that tour. I saw them at the Tower Theater in Philly on that tour, and Ward played the gold LP-Recording-Semihollow-low-impedance-thingie most of the night, through a Demeter amp. Awesome tone.

This may not be exactly what you'd consider tons of modern rock gain and is obviously not a 335, but it's a good demonstration of the feedback and the ability to harness it ...... approximately 3:00 - 4:15.

 

[BigJoe77]

Re: Anyone use 335 with tons of gain?

Tough to say what "tons of gain" means. One man's "tons of gain" is another's "is that thing even on yet?".

I saw Kings of Leon earlier this year and their guitarist played an ES 137 with a decent amount of gain and it definitely had some feedback when he wanted it to. He was able to control it and used it as an effect by positioning and knob control. Also, both Dave Grohl and Chris Shifflett of the Foo Fighters played with 335's for a decent amount of their show. Again, feedback when they chose to, but controlled and used for effect.

Someone else mentioned the Nuge. I heard him on a radio interview talking bout prepping for his tour where he talked about feedback going through his Byrdlands. He said that unless everything was positioned well, it was out of control. So they just worked on how things had to be laid out and the necessity of him being in the right spots and staying at the correct angles to keep the feedback out.

Personally, I think the feedback going through a semi hollow is one of the coolest sounds that a guitar can make (in limited doses, of course).

 

[sosomething]

Re: Anyone use 335 with tons of gain?

It can be done...Tripp that used to play with Static-X used to play a hot rodded Epi Dot with Static-X and used more gain than is allowed in most states and had NO feedback issues...

BTW the feedback at the start of this clip are a mix of keyboard samples and feedback that Tripp let happen on purpose...

Yeah, when you compress and then gate and then compress again the everloving crap out of your tone, you can do that.

That dude could probably play a mic'd flattop acoustic through that rig and sound exactly the same.

 

[SirJackdeFuzz]

Re: Anyone use 335 with tons of gain?

NOT a 335, but still a fair amount of gain in that chain !

Gretsch, into a stack of 5150's

 

[SirJackdeFuzz]

Re: Anyone use 335 with tons of gain?

ES-335 into a Orange Thunderverbs (not Rockerverbs)

 

[SirJackdeFuzz]

Re: Anyone use 335 with tons of gain?

http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=2708202 - 335 related

 

[GoldenVulture]

Re: Anyone use 335 with tons of gain?

Not a 335 but big semi-acoustic body and Hi gain.

Billy Duffy - Cult. He doesn't always use this guitar.

 

[astrozombie]

Re: Anyone use 335 with tons of gain?

Me. ES-333 with a 15k humbucker.

 

[ex-250]

Re: Anyone use 335 with tons of gain?

ES-335 into a Orange Thunderverbs (not Rockerverbs)

******, you beat me to it. i gots video though....

 

[tc]

Re: Anyone use 335 with tons of gain?

Since we're in the spirit of hollows with dirt....here's my submission:





Sheraton with a Muff. At least that's what I think of when I think Silversun Pickups. Even if the video might show otherwise.

 

[Kam]

Re: Anyone use 335 with tons of gain?

^^^ Awesome, awesome choice.

 

[phil_104]

Re: Anyone use 335 with tons of gain?

When you're a big guy, let's say 6'5", a 335 looks and feels a lot better than a 339.

Yeah, maybe, but....

The 359 is as stable as a Les Paul or any other guitar( I just think it sounds better)

The original question is about high gain. Mr. Wylde is pretty tall, and a Les Paul doesn't look bad on him, and a 339 is bigger than that. If you want a hollowbody but have to play high gain songs a lot, it might just be a better choice than the 335.

Besides, how many of us here are 6'5", :cool2:

 

[Diego]

Re: Anyone use 335 with tons of gain?

Not me for sure. Even a Les Paul dwarfs me a bit I think.

 

[Kam]

Re: Anyone use 335 with tons of gain?

Not me for sure. Even a Les Paul dwarfs me a bit I think.

Not as bad as it does to poor Mr Kossof, I'm sure.

 

[SirJackdeFuzz]

Re: Anyone use 335 with tons of gain?

******, you beat me to it. i gots video though....

Man, great tone (to my ears).
Love the Thunderverb tone. So much "sweeter" than their Rockerverbs.

Thanx for the clip !!!

 

[ImmortalSix]

Re: Anyone use 335 with tons of gain?

Eh, it's not false. It's true. It's just also largely dependent on the circumstance.

A I've gigged both my 339 and my old ES-137 with DoB and found that those designs are more prone to the kind of one-note, howling feedback you can't really make musical if you don't very diligently control the guitar though body positioning, hand placement, volume knob / tuner pedal manipulation, and the old turn-my-neck-pickup-off-so-the-3way-works-like-a-mute trick.

Certain rooms are worse than others too.

but

all that considered

it's still doable.

Some would say worth it, too, when weighed against all the benefits of using semi-hollows for high gain.

Yeah, I guess if you rolled footage from my last 335 gig and your last 339 gig, you'd see that I wasn't exactly brangin' tha thundah like you were, as DankStar would say :laughing: