Lake Placid Blues
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What makes the PG diffrent from other vintage style A2 HBers? Is it scatter wound?
Are the Pearly Gates scatter wound?
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Lewguitar
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Re: Are the Pearly Gates scatter wound?
One coil is wound with a few hundred or more turns of wire than the other coil. This opens up the midrange. Scatter winding is useful for smoothing out the ice pick treble of Strat single coil pickups...it's not so effective with humbuckers. My guess would be that since the wire is wound directly around the magnetic polepieces in a single coil that scatterwinding the pickup has more of an effect on the pickups tone than it would in a humbucker where the magnet is underneath the pickup coils and the wire is NOT wound directly around the magnet.
Lew
One coil is wound with a few hundred or more turns of wire than the other coil. This opens up the midrange. Scatter winding is useful for smoothing out the ice pick treble of Strat single coil pickups...it's not so effective with humbuckers. My guess would be that since the wire is wound directly around the magnetic polepieces in a single coil that scatterwinding the pickup has more of an effect on the pickups tone than it would in a humbucker where the magnet is underneath the pickup coils and the wire is NOT wound directly around the magnet.
Lew
JeffB
Let it B
Re: Are the Pearly Gates scatter wound?
I believe (and someone correct me if I am wrong) that the term "scatterwinding" is often used incorrectly just as the word "tremolo" is (referring to a vibrato bar on a guitar).
Scatterwinding has to do with how the wire is "fed" onto the coils, but is often used erroneously to describe a "mismatched" or "uneven" wind (i.e different number of turns on each coil)
But the PG as I understand it *IS* a mismatched wind. Thats where the "sizzle" comes from (or any mismatched wind like for example a BurstBucker)
I believe (and someone correct me if I am wrong) that the term "scatterwinding" is often used incorrectly just as the word "tremolo" is (referring to a vibrato bar on a guitar).
Scatterwinding has to do with how the wire is "fed" onto the coils, but is often used erroneously to describe a "mismatched" or "uneven" wind (i.e different number of turns on each coil)
But the PG as I understand it *IS* a mismatched wind. Thats where the "sizzle" comes from (or any mismatched wind like for example a BurstBucker)
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Lewguitar
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Re: Are the Pearly Gates scatter wound?
Scatter winding means winding the bobbin so that the wire goes all over the place rather than being wound on the bobbin evenly...like it would be on a spool of thread. A scatter wound bobbin bulges in the middle because the wire crosses over itself numerous times.
Lew
Scatter winding means winding the bobbin so that the wire goes all over the place rather than being wound on the bobbin evenly...like it would be on a spool of thread. A scatter wound bobbin bulges in the middle because the wire crosses over itself numerous times.
Lew
gripweed
Jolvisologist
Re: Are the Pearly Gates scatter wound?
There are certain patterns of "scatter" that will give you different tonal qualities. Finding some of these patterns can be the secret behind a great sounding pickup and an average one. This is the *art* part of winding. Hopefully Don Mare or Zhangliqun will chime in and explain further.
There are certain patterns of "scatter" that will give you different tonal qualities. Finding some of these patterns can be the secret behind a great sounding pickup and an average one. This is the *art* part of winding. Hopefully Don Mare or Zhangliqun will chime in and explain further.
frankfalbo
In Fluence Y'all
Re: Are the Pearly Gates scatter wound?
I heard someone saying that a wind that's fatter toward the bottom or fatter towards the top affected the sound greatly. For now, I scatterwind to end up with an overall even coil, with a slight bulging radius in the center. Scatterwinding doesn't produce a bulging middle unless there's more winds there. Kind of like:
"When geese fly in a V, why is one side always longer than the other?"
"Because there're more geese on that side."
I heard someone saying that a wind that's fatter toward the bottom or fatter towards the top affected the sound greatly. For now, I scatterwind to end up with an overall even coil, with a slight bulging radius in the center. Scatterwinding doesn't produce a bulging middle unless there's more winds there. Kind of like:
"When geese fly in a V, why is one side always longer than the other?"
"Because there're more geese on that side."
frankfalbo
In Fluence Y'all
Re: Are the Pearly Gates scatter wound?
Try to find one like that. :laugh2:
Actually if you did find one like that Dimarzio would be right behind them suing them for using the same number of geese but with a different gauge of distance between them.
Try to find one like that. :laugh2:
Actually if you did find one like that Dimarzio would be right behind them suing them for using the same number of geese but with a different gauge of distance between them.
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Lewguitar
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Re: Are the Pearly Gates scatter wound?
No way.
Dimarzio has a trademark registered for double cream coils...it's a cosmetic thing only. So Seymour can't sell a double cream humbucker unless it has a nickel cover hiding the coils.
Lew
Marcel said:
No way.
Dimarzio has a trademark registered for double cream coils...it's a cosmetic thing only. So Seymour can't sell a double cream humbucker unless it has a nickel cover hiding the coils.
Lew
ErikH
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Re: Are the Pearly Gates scatter wound?
Linky to Patent
Do NOT confuse scatterwound with mismatched coils. It's 2 different things.
Linky to Patent
Do NOT confuse scatterwound with mismatched coils. It's 2 different things.
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Lewguitar
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Re: Are the Pearly Gates scatter wound?
So Blucher is claiming a patent because he's using two differant guages of wire.
Mismatched coils is not patentable...Seymour's Antiquity Humbuckers and the Pearly Gates both have mismatched coils in that one is wound slightly hotter than the other.
What I get from the Dimarzio patent is the idea of using a differant gauge of wire for each coil...
Right?
Lew
ErikH said:
So Blucher is claiming a patent because he's using two differant guages of wire.
Mismatched coils is not patentable...Seymour's Antiquity Humbuckers and the Pearly Gates both have mismatched coils in that one is wound slightly hotter than the other.
What I get from the Dimarzio patent is the idea of using a differant gauge of wire for each coil...
Right?
Lew
ErikH
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Re: Are the Pearly Gates scatter wound?
Exactly, Lew. There was talk about it yesterday and Dave (Zhang) posted the link with the layman's terms rundown. Somewhere in this thread.
Exactly, Lew. There was talk about it yesterday and Dave (Zhang) posted the link with the layman's terms rundown. Somewhere in this thread.
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Lewguitar
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Re: Are the Pearly Gates scatter wound?
I'd never read the details of Dimarzio's patent before...never even heard of it before. I thought we were talking about double cream coils! :smack:
However, from what I gather from reading the patent description, there's still no Dimarzio patent for mismatched coils where the only diff is that one is wound with a few hundred more turns of the same wire as the other coil.
The Dimarzio patent seems to have to do with using a differant gauge wire for each coil.
Lindy Fralin's Unbuckers use very mismatched coils, BTW, but the same wire is used for both coils.
Lots of pickup winders make humbuckers with mismatched coils...
Lew
gripweed said:Interesting how someone can say the correct thing early on in a thread and noone will listen, and then someone elso posts a link and all is good
I'd never read the details of Dimarzio's patent before...never even heard of it before. I thought we were talking about double cream coils! :smack:
However, from what I gather from reading the patent description, there's still no Dimarzio patent for mismatched coils where the only diff is that one is wound with a few hundred more turns of the same wire as the other coil.
The Dimarzio patent seems to have to do with using a differant gauge wire for each coil.
Lindy Fralin's Unbuckers use very mismatched coils, BTW, but the same wire is used for both coils.
Lots of pickup winders make humbuckers with mismatched coils...
Lew
