Arguement for Pedal Distortion

G&Legacy

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There have been a few posts going around about amp distortion or pedal distortion. I happen to use pedal distortion and I am going to tell you all why.

Well let's begin with the first issue here, I am poor so I can't afford amps with great distortion build right in.

I have a Crate all tube vfx5212. it has distortion but I think that it sucks compared to what I have acheived with the Jeckyll and Hyde Pedal thru the clean channel (which is actually really nice), it gives me a much more clear, responsive and just better sound. And my setup sounds better to me than all amps in the price range (with built in distortion).

Here are the pros to doing this. (for me)

1. If you have a decent clean amp, you don't have to buy another amp but can get a great distortion pedal or two. So Cheaper.

2. You can get a great sound at much lower volumes: if you also play at home a lot, just turn down the level on the pedal and you still have the same sound.So home recording is a little easier. Usually to get the most out of amp distortion, you have to crank it.

3. You can actually get louder (especially because the clean channel can get louder than the distortion channel) so put a pedal in front of it and bam, volume!

4. It simplifies your pedal board (well unless you don't use one). No need for an effects loop. I can run a Wah infront of the pedal and delay after and can get a great sound without using an effects loop. Also run a booster after the distortion and you can get a massive clear volume boost...so all your pedals can be on one pedal board all in front of your amp

5. Your sound can be portable.....if your amp breaks down or you are playing somewhere that has a good tube amp...just run your pedal board into that amp and there is your sound.

6. Much easier to use a looper. If you use a looper, just put it at the end of the line before the amp. No need to put it in your effects loop.

7. Alot more options....with so many different kind of pedals you have a huge variety to choose from that is if you have a good clean amp. It is much easier to try out a new pedal than a new amp (shipping is much less let alone the price)

Okay so that is all I can think of right now. Now realize that I already have a good clean amp. If I didn't already have a clean amp, I am not sure if I would go out and buy a clean amp and then distortion pedals or just and amp with distortion. But I am comfortable doing it the way I do.

My advice is to at least consider the pros of using a pedal for distortion rather than assuming that amp distortion is always better.
 
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Other than #3 I agree with all your points. I haven't found a Distortion pedal I like more than my amp, but I also haven't looked very hard either. I think I'm more of a fuzz pedal/amp distortion guy, but I've heard plenty of good tones with a good pedal into a good amp.

(I'm not really sure where you're coming from on 3, my distortion channels are at least as loud as my cleans...)
 
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If pressed, I would choose a tube amp with great cleans over an amp with great drive, and use pedals to supply the drive. Given this argument, I agree with G&Legacy. However, if you're playing the kind of music EVH or Angus would be playing -- and no, I'm not drawing parallels between the two of them, so don't go down that road -- you'll need tube amp distortion. There's little those artists did with their classic tones that was clean, and it often was achieved by turning down the ol' volume knob on the axe.

In summation, it depends on your application, like all things. Different jobs require different tools. David Gilmour plays through a super-clean amp with loads of headroom, but not all of his tones are clean. He gets the vast majority of his driven tones from pedals. (Yeah, they're Cornish pedals, but they're pedals nonetheless.)

- Keith
 
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A long time ago, my friend told me: "If you're using a distortion pedal in front of your amp for your distortion, you're not playing the right amp."

I thought: "What the cock is that ****? I'm hella bad, playing with a distortion in front of mah amp. It's teh awesome."

Later on, I found out that dude was right! In my experience, I've found that nothing is as organic as distortion straight outta da amp. There are just so many amps out there. It takes time to find the right one, but it's worth the search.
 
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I'm not gonna talk about organic or mojo or power tube distortion, I like a nice tube amp that I can get a semi dirty clean tone from, and then crank it a little more if I need more gain. Or hit it with my Triboost.
 
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Other than #3 I agree with all your points. I haven't found a Distortion pedal I like more than my amp, but I also haven't looked very hard either. I think I'm more of a fuzz pedal/amp distortion guy, but I've heard plenty of good tones with a good pedal into a good amp.

(I'm not really sure where you're coming from on 3, my distortion channels are at least as loud as my cleans...)

Oh what i meant by #3 was that at least on my amp, the clean channel on, say 4, is much louder than my distortion channel on 4. Maybe it is just my amp. I knew I should have said that, I knew someone would make a comment..thanks for your opinion. It is always a learning experience.
 
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A long time ago, my friend told me: "If you're using a distortion pedal in front of your amp for your distortion, you're not playing the right amp."

I thought: "What the cock is that ****? I'm hella bad, playing with a distortion in front of mah amp. It's teh awesome."

Later on, I found out that dude was right! In my experience, I've found that nothing is as organic as distortion straight outta da amp. There are just so many amps out there. It takes time to find the right one, but it's worth the search.

Is your real name Cartman, perchance?
 
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I'm running an original 1967 Fender Bassman half stack, and nothing does cleans better. There is no distortion channel, so I HAVE to use pedals. If I wanted natural tube distortion, I would have to CRANK IT!
 
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I'm running an original 1967 Fender Bassman half stack, and nothing does cleans better. There is no distortion channel, so I HAVE to use pedals. If I wanted natural tube distortion, I would have to CRANK IT!

and then you would never want to use a pedal again. youd be figuring out how to get that tone at a reasonable volume
 
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I use both pedal distortion and natural amp gain... it all depends on the amp and what sorta sound I'm after.

I wouldn't try using a pedal to get AC/DC type rhythm grind.... nor would I plug strait into a Fender amp hoping to get SRV type sustain.

Some of the worlds most revered guitar tones originally came from using a pedal into a good tube amp.

It's all about using the right tools for the right job.
 
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and then you would never want to use a pedal again. youd be figuring out how to get that tone at a reasonable volume
Exactly! Do yourself a favor and get a clean boost for that thing. One of the best tones I ever got was from a boosted silverface Bassman at a reasonably loud volume. They are tone machines!
 
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Depends on what you're looking for. Very few dirt boxes clean up neatly when rolling off the guitar's volume. For those who desire a continuum of drive tones controlled from the guitar, most pedals don't cut it. To be fair, I've played more than a few amps that sound as nice as a recently-castrated cat when the guitar volume is turned down.

There's also something satisfying about the simplicity and immediacy of plugging the guitar straight into the amp. IME, a great (not necessarily expensive) amp is more likely to feel like an extension of the player's fingers with a more straightforward signal chain.

In the end, it comes down to the player's needs and preferences. Some timbres are more effectively achieved via pedals while others are easier to dial in through an amp's drive channel. Though I'm partial to amp distortion, I own a few dirt boxes. They're just not my favorite way to get my core tone.
 
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Nothing I have ever played beats the built in distortions of my Randall. I only use the ZW pedal as a solo boost and I use that to boost my tube amps. The Zombie works wonders with The Twin. I only use other distortion pedals on my powerblock because the gain isn't enough for me.
 
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Pedal distortion is definitely awesome. It's a lot easier to switch between distortion and clean too when using a pedal, you don't need to reach and flip a switch/press a button in the middle of a song. Plus for me, my amp sucks (it's a Fender Frontman 15G) and the drive channel is terrible, it gives so much hum, even when using humbuckers. So I agree, pedals are the way to go.
 
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Amp distortion.....unless your amp is a crate


Crate makes some decent stuff, among them the VFX series, which is all tube class A/B and has an excellent drive channel. Don't know why this guy's not happy with it. I find my VFX5112's drive thick, meaty, and satisfying. Good enough for Vernon Reid and a a few other choice endorsers. And hey, I'd take a Blue Voodoo stack over most Marshalls (except maybe a JCM800). Of course their low end stuff is laughable. But not as bad as "Gorilla" amps or "Cort" guitars (bring back memories, anyone?)

That said, I use drive pedals (sparingly) for solo boosters only, or as "emergency tone backup" in case something were to go wrong with my main source of distortion.
 
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