Artie's De-Mud Mod is Magic!!!! (a review)
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blueman335
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I was looking at it from another perspective...
I was looking at it from another perspective...
marcello252
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Lol, that was my advice back in 2014, see above...
Lol, that was my advice back in 2014, see above...
Artie
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Leon Of Late
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Oh do I have a joke for that.... and not even dirty. Yet I will refrain, lest I offend any sensibilities.
Oh do I have a joke for that.... and not even dirty. Yet I will refrain, lest I offend any sensibilities.
freefrog
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Re: Artie's De-Mud Mod is Magic!!!! (a review)
SIDE NOTE : when you put the whole pickup in series with a cap, the tone pot becomes hardly useable because it lowers the volume (if ever one of your pickups behaves like that, it means that one of its coils is shorted, BTW). Artie's mod avoids this issue. It even avoids the sound to get thin if two pickups are OOP.
The only reasons why you could prefer a cap in series with the whole pickup would be these ones: 1) you never use the tone pot 2) you want to keep a full humbucking effect (since putting components between the coils brings a bit more noise). In any other case, Artie's mod is efficient and easy to do.
FWIW.
SIDE NOTE : when you put the whole pickup in series with a cap, the tone pot becomes hardly useable because it lowers the volume (if ever one of your pickups behaves like that, it means that one of its coils is shorted, BTW). Artie's mod avoids this issue. It even avoids the sound to get thin if two pickups are OOP.
The only reasons why you could prefer a cap in series with the whole pickup would be these ones: 1) you never use the tone pot 2) you want to keep a full humbucking effect (since putting components between the coils brings a bit more noise). In any other case, Artie's mod is efficient and easy to do.
FWIW.
marcello252
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Re: Artie's De-Mud Mod is Magic!!!! (a review)
There's only one drawback in using a Cap in series with the pickup, it appears with some type of fuzz pedal, particularly with fuzz face when used in the common 'right' place as the first pedal of the chian, directly connected to the guitar.
Part of the Fuzz face sound comes from the huge bandwith that the input 2.2uF cap allows, it's a bit difficult to explain it easily but, let's put it this way, the bass contents at the input produces some intersting and harmonically rich intermodulation distortion.
Since the cap you put in series with the pickup interacts directly with the Fuzz input cap (and the volume pot becomes negligible for its high value compared to the FF input impedance seen from the cap) you actually put a 2.2uF in series with a 0.047uF cap, the equivalent value is something close to 0.047uF... that's a 10^2 difference, quite significative.
Try it, you'll hear what I'm saying.
There's only one drawback in using a Cap in series with the pickup, it appears with some type of fuzz pedal, particularly with fuzz face when used in the common 'right' place as the first pedal of the chian, directly connected to the guitar.
Part of the Fuzz face sound comes from the huge bandwith that the input 2.2uF cap allows, it's a bit difficult to explain it easily but, let's put it this way, the bass contents at the input produces some intersting and harmonically rich intermodulation distortion.
Since the cap you put in series with the pickup interacts directly with the Fuzz input cap (and the volume pot becomes negligible for its high value compared to the FF input impedance seen from the cap) you actually put a 2.2uF in series with a 0.047uF cap, the equivalent value is something close to 0.047uF... that's a 10^2 difference, quite significative.
Try it, you'll hear what I'm saying.
freefrog
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Re: Artie's De-Mud Mod is Magic!!!! (a review)
For the record, my statement was about a TEN nanofarad (0.01µ) cap in series with the pickup, like the capacitor used by Artie: with such a value (or with a lower capacitance, like 0.0047µ), the tone control risks to react like a second volume pot unless we put the cap between the coils, as Artie did.
If the cap in series with the pickup is a bigger one (like a 47n / 0.047µ), its detrimental effect on the tone pot will be far less pronounced - and this effect will disappear if the tone pot is wired to the pickup "before" the cap in series, anyway.
That said, iit might be useful to keep in mind that a cap in series with a pickup can change how its control pots react (the nature and amplitude of this change depending of course on the components and wiring involved).
For the record, my statement was about a TEN nanofarad (0.01µ) cap in series with the pickup, like the capacitor used by Artie: with such a value (or with a lower capacitance, like 0.0047µ), the tone control risks to react like a second volume pot unless we put the cap between the coils, as Artie did.
If the cap in series with the pickup is a bigger one (like a 47n / 0.047µ), its detrimental effect on the tone pot will be far less pronounced - and this effect will disappear if the tone pot is wired to the pickup "before" the cap in series, anyway.
That said, iit might be useful to keep in mind that a cap in series with a pickup can change how its control pots react (the nature and amplitude of this change depending of course on the components and wiring involved).
Jack_TriPpEr
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I just wanted to report in with good news and appreciation for tbe Demud mod. It saved the day on a new guitar I just bought that was super boomy - a Dean Icon Flame Top. I also have an Ibby RG and an Epi LP that could use this mod.
In the case of this particular Dean guitar, I found that even after the mod was in place - I still needed to keep the height of the neck pickup lower on the side that sits under the heavier gauge strings, still needed to have the pole pieces on that same side raised higher, and still needed to have the screw coil facing the bridge vs the neck. I am interested in hearing if anyone else who has done this mod was able to undo these compensation actions that are usually taken as first steps before proceeding to the Demud mod.
In my wiring scheme, i placed the cap and resistor (.01uf and 510K Ohm) in between the volume pot sweeper lug and the wire to the selector switch, vs between the two wires that link the two coils. I did this so I wouldn't have to sacrifice full humbucking - which FreeFrog called out as as a risk in a previous post in this thread - and it worked out as planned.
I happened to also give a try at 50s style wiring connection on the tone pot at the same time - but nothing worked that way - the volume became almost an on/off switch with only a small range of the volume pot being on.
Does anyone know I were to place the cap and the resistor further upstream (e.g. btw the two coil wires ) would that enable "50s style wiring" on the tone control to still work alongside this demud mod?
Thanks again ArtieToo
I just wanted to report in with good news and appreciation for tbe Demud mod. It saved the day on a new guitar I just bought that was super boomy - a Dean Icon Flame Top. I also have an Ibby RG and an Epi LP that could use this mod.
In the case of this particular Dean guitar, I found that even after the mod was in place - I still needed to keep the height of the neck pickup lower on the side that sits under the heavier gauge strings, still needed to have the pole pieces on that same side raised higher, and still needed to have the screw coil facing the bridge vs the neck. I am interested in hearing if anyone else who has done this mod was able to undo these compensation actions that are usually taken as first steps before proceeding to the Demud mod.
In my wiring scheme, i placed the cap and resistor (.01uf and 510K Ohm) in between the volume pot sweeper lug and the wire to the selector switch, vs between the two wires that link the two coils. I did this so I wouldn't have to sacrifice full humbucking - which FreeFrog called out as as a risk in a previous post in this thread - and it worked out as planned.
I happened to also give a try at 50s style wiring connection on the tone pot at the same time - but nothing worked that way - the volume became almost an on/off switch with only a small range of the volume pot being on.
Does anyone know I were to place the cap and the resistor further upstream (e.g. btw the two coil wires ) would that enable "50s style wiring" on the tone control to still work alongside this demud mod?
Thanks again ArtieToo
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Re: Artie's De-Mud Mod is Magic!!!! (a review)
Interesting ...
I have the same guitar. I've had it for years. I think I posted about it a while back and I think I described it as "dark". I don't find it particularly "boomy" as in an overwhelming amount of low end, but more "muddy" in that there is a smearing or lack of clarity. More problematic in the mid bass or maybe very low mids. Only the neck position is really problematic but the bridge is also on the warm side. I never tried the de-mud. I think I ended up digging out a set of alnico 3's from the bin that suited the Icon pretty well. I'll have to revisit it now that I haven't played it in a while and see what I think with fresh ears.
Interesting ...
I have the same guitar. I've had it for years. I think I posted about it a while back and I think I described it as "dark". I don't find it particularly "boomy" as in an overwhelming amount of low end, but more "muddy" in that there is a smearing or lack of clarity. More problematic in the mid bass or maybe very low mids. Only the neck position is really problematic but the bridge is also on the warm side. I never tried the de-mud. I think I ended up digging out a set of alnico 3's from the bin that suited the Icon pretty well. I'll have to revisit it now that I haven't played it in a while and see what I think with fresh ears.
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Jack_TriPpEr
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I am wondering if Dean has changed the pickups offered in this model over time. Mine is a Year 2016, and the stock pickups are Dean's own DMT Nostalgia pickups. How about yours?
I am wondering if Dean has changed the pickups offered in this model over time. Mine is a Year 2016, and the stock pickups are Dean's own DMT Nostalgia pickups. How about yours?
Re: Artie's De-Mud Mod is Magic!!!! (a review)
Different guitar. Sorry. Dean had an Icon model out in the very late 90's - early 2000's. It was a string through. That's the model that I have. The pickups back then were cheap, Asian alnicos. They were usable, barely, but on the top of the upgrades list. I've gone through a few different pups in that Icon.
I forgot that Dean discontinued the Hardtail and came out with a slightly different body style and, for whatever reason, reused the old Icon model name. I do have a couple of the Hardtails as well. They aren't "boomy" though. I've got Dimarzio's in one and SD's in the other. Again, similar style as the new Icon but still a different guitar.
Different guitar. Sorry. Dean had an Icon model out in the very late 90's - early 2000's. It was a string through. That's the model that I have. The pickups back then were cheap, Asian alnicos. They were usable, barely, but on the top of the upgrades list. I've gone through a few different pups in that Icon.
I forgot that Dean discontinued the Hardtail and came out with a slightly different body style and, for whatever reason, reused the old Icon model name. I do have a couple of the Hardtails as well. They aren't "boomy" though. I've got Dimarzio's in one and SD's in the other. Again, similar style as the new Icon but still a different guitar.
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