ASKING FOR PICKUP ADVICE: Tips, Hints, and Suggestions

Aceman

I am your doctor of love!
Here at the Seymour Duncan User Group, the members generally strive to provide you with the best and most exacting advice the internet can provide regarding pickup selection and tone. However, because we are trying to "talk" about a "sound," it can sometimes be challenging. Just asking for a a "better" pickup really doesn't help get you what you really need. So, when asking for pickup advice, please be sure to address the following in your initial post. It will really help us get you the tone you seek! The more you give us up front, the more you'll get back, and avoid useless suggestions playing 20 questions.



#1 Be sure to let us know what guitar you have! And, if the wood might be different, let us know that too. A Strat is a very different creature tonally than a Les Paul. And Alder/Maple Strat is very different creature than a Poplar/Rosewood Strat.

#2 Let us know what Amp and effects you are using. MAny times the issue isn't really the pickup, but the amp. Or sometimes a simple pedal is a better solution than a pickup swap. Or the output/gain of the amp might suggest the need for a high or low output pickup.

#3 Try and give us an idea of what style of music you like to play. If you are going for an edgy jazz sound, you'll likely get different recommendations than for a Pantera tone.

Bonus points: If you can tell us anything about the tone of the guitar. For example, some Les Paul's are muddy/boomy in the neck in general and very dark. Other can be pretty bright.



Those are the basics. Now - the real deep tone helpful stuff. Try and tell us what it is you need more/less of in the current pickup you are using. (And let us know what that pickup is, if you know!)

A) Treble: Do you want more/less treble? And what quality of treble? Would you like fat round highs, or sharp cutting highs?

B) Bass: Do you want more/Less bass? And do you want it super tight, or would you prefer a after bass, or do you like sloppy loose?

C) Mid - the most difficult of all: Do you want a boost, a cut or a flat mid response? Would you like that cut/boost in the lower miss, the middle miss, or the upper mids?

D) Output: DO you think you need more output or less out put? And why?

Bonus Points: If you have any playing technique notes that may be helpful such as "I play leads only on the neck pickup" or "I like to vary the output with the volume" or "I switch between the bridge and neck fairly often when playing" And if you know the vol/tone pot values that can be nice too, especially if too much/too little treble is an issue.




Giving us a few notes about those things can be the difference between these:

Original Post: I need some new pickups, I want this guitar to really rock!

Responses: Custom, Custom 8, Pearly Gates, Dimebucker, JB, Seth, SuperDistortion (yes, you read that right), EMG, A2P, Swap the mag to an A8, Distortion, JB with an A2 magnet, Blackout, replace the nut and bridge with a Tone Pros, and so on forever….With 20 additional posts asking for the stuff above.

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Original Post: I have a Les Paul Standard, and am playing through an older Marshall Amp. I don't use any gain effects, but like some delay. I play rock/hard rock (Zepplin, Maiden/Priest). I am currently using the stock pickups. The guitar is a bit muddy in the neck.

I'd really like more highs out of the guitar, and maybe a bit of scoop to the mids. Tight bass is important when I play harder things. I really need a little more output to really push the amp though. I'd like to replace both pickups. What do you recommend for the neck/bridge?

Responses: PG/Custom, PG/Custom, 59/Custom, 490 neck/Custom and 500k pots, PG/Custom, 59/Distortion, PG/Custom and 500k pots, PG/59 and 500k pots, PG/Custom.


Tone is a tough thing to tackle without being able to hear it, and we all have different preferences, ears, tastes, and gear. But a lot of guys here have used a lot of gear over the years and most are pretty good dudes that will try to help YOU get the sound you want/need. And while this is the Seymour Duncan forum, at the end of the day, we are all about tone. You'll get recommendations for Dimarzio, EMG, Fralin, Bareknuckles, GFX, etc. if that's what it takes to get you the sound. That said, expect a lot of Duncan responses, and to be fair, they have a very wide range of pickups, and as I said, it is the Duncan forum.

Help US help YOU!!!!!
 
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Re: ASKING FOR PICKUP ADVICE: Tips, Hints, and Suggestions

2nd. Great advice for beginners and it helps all parties reach a quicker response.
 
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Some mornings you just feel like contributing. This was one of those mornings.
 
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Me too. Having some bran cereal this a.m. to help contribute to So Cal air quality.

But seriously, those are some of the questions I ask my customers. I also throw in string gauge, type of pick used and a few other things. I especially focus on the tonal personality of the particular guitar and what pickups they had in it before and what they liked/disliked about them. It seems counterintuitive but as this thread helps to illustrate, the more specific and picky a customer is, the easier it is for me to please them.

I shudder when I get a query from a customer where it's clear they are either very young and/or just not very knowledgeable about pickups. They ask for specs without explaining why they want them (usually it's because they think the numbers sound cool or the aesthetics are cool) and they change their minds fifty times over the course of the conversation over a continent-wide variation on output and sound and are just generally vague about the sound they want. Chances are about 50% they'll want a refund, and about 90% that they won't be happy with the pickup.

Moral of the story, whether getting advice in here or ordering a pickup: If you don't know what you want, we won't either.
 
Re: ASKING FOR PICKUP ADVICE: Tips, Hints, and Suggestions

...and some in the group would "prefer" that questions asking for help do not include comparisons asking for the "best." While "best" is common in most professions and all other walks of life, not necessarily with all members here when it comes to guitars or pickups. Some might think one person's opinion of "best" is obviously that same person's personal preference (like picking a football team), but best (I mean "preferred" by some) to omit it/them as it will still save time and space by preventing the needless lecture on "there is no best." Same often goes for words like "better" etc.

You'll usually be able to tell from the first 5-10 answers which pickups (strings, wood, etc) will be better/best for you. It's better/best......I mean "preferred" by some that you do not include these words though in your question. And if you do anyway, don't sweat it should someone point out their belief that there is no "best" or no "better."
The best thing to do is.....just keep asking questions anyway! :fingersx:
 
Re: ASKING FOR PICKUP ADVICE: Tips, Hints, and Suggestions

Great post. I'd also point out that the search function is a great tool that is sometimes overlooked. you may not be the first person who's asked about more clarity in the neck of a Les Paul, or needs more push from a strat, and your question may have already been answered.
 
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I dunno.

I think it's more fun without those facts in the way.
 
Re: ASKING FOR PICKUP ADVICE: Tips, Hints, and Suggestions

I posted something very similar some time ago, so yeah, this needs a sticky. Not that anyone will read it.

And stop with the "Search function", already! This forum software has TWO Search functions: the one at the top of every page below the Duncan banner, and the subforum search box on the bar below the subforum title. The main search on these boards rarely, if ever, works. Then you have to contend with the illiteracy that runs rampant on the internet.

On another forum recently that runs the same software, I searched for an older thread (by only a few months) by a keyword that was in the title and in the contents of a newer, day-old thread. The Search returned 0 results. Not even the newer thread. By comparison, I found one of my older threads from 2003, so it's not an issue of a purge.

But at any rate, while the SD Tone Wizard is a fine concept, it's not nearly as fine-tuned as a full-on discussion. It just can't get into the deeper points, largely because no one wants to go through a hundred-option checklist on an online form just to get the same old "JB+59" recommendation.


Though I would say Ace should add "Don't ask for a pickup that will take you from Dave Brubeck to Skynrd to Amon Amarth. There isn't one."
But that's just me.
 
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Pigs.
 
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Great post Aceman. I also vote for a "sticky".

But . . . (and there's always a "butt"), we also need to consider the other side of the coin, so to speak. It's a forum. Sometimes people come in here just for light-hearted, guitar-related chat. So they ask a less than serious question, that's related to the forum. It's just a form of saying "hey" to the forum. We can easily decipher which way the OP means it by the length and breadth of their post. A question that includes all the info that you remark on, would be a serious "what should I get thread". A two-sentence, "what should should I get to sound like Dime", should be treated with that same level of commitment.

As my luthier friend says, "It's all good". ;)

Artie
 
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Hey - let's don't go crazy with all this search function talk.

Answering a repeated question is a great way to seem awesomely knowledgeable and pad your post count. I'm just saying, help me answer it correctly.
 
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Some times when a question is asked again, new incite and information is shared/exposed. Good post Aceman. Sticky it!
 
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Sorry the search in vbulletin sucks. It isn't suitable for this.
 
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bump for the love! Even if only 1 in 5 read it, the world, or at least the forum will be a better place.
 
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Hi,
This may be a generational thing, but it shouldn't. Who doesn't know what sound I mean when I say Mike Bloomfield, or "beano"Clapton? Or SRVaughn, Albert King, Vince Gill tele, "Ice pick"Albert collins, thick Warren Haynes, Derek & Dominoes Clapton, J. Beck wah-wah aint superstitious, J.Hendrix VooDoo Chile? Some names are associated with the tone of a specific song or band, or even a specific period of a given artist. I believe these can also, if done carefully, perfectly express the sought after sound.
Steve Buffington
 
Re: ASKING FOR PICKUP ADVICE: Tips, Hints, and Suggestions

Well Steve, a lot of guys less than 40 for starters. People who do not love Classic rock. Someone who doesn't want any of those sounds. A person dealing with a specific problem or aspect of tone. New players of any age.

And - even if that is what you want….If you say "I want to sound like Albert Collins" and you neglect to say that you are using an all mahogany explorer, with a triple recto, and EMG's….we are gonna have a lot of useless, silly, and wasted discussion.
 
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