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Trust me, there's no lack of gain. The Ecstasy is by far the heaviest sounding amp I've ever owned. It can be dialed for any type of music, with classic tones, or you can set the blue and red channels for metal meltdown. And if you want extreme heavy, the Uberschall is just ridiculous with tight and heavy gain.

You can get Cantrel type gain out of the Shiva, since that's what he uses now. Too bad they discontinued the Fish Preamp. Most agree that it's in the top 3 of the best guitar preamps ever made.
 
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Fair enough.....and thanks Joe.

Yeah man, it worked out for me REALLY WELL !!!

Super sweet amps....I just got the Emp & haven't spent a lot of time with it, so I haven't thrown up a review, but I'm off Tuesday & Wednesday next week & will get quite intimate with them :D

Puckboy, that flamekaster is KILLER! ...wow.
 
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Trust me, there's no lack of gain. The Ecstasy is by far the heaviest sounding amp I've ever owned. It can be dialed for any type of music, with classic tones, or you can set the blue and red channels for metal meltdown. And if you want extreme heavy, the Uberschall is just ridiculous with tight and heavy gain.

You can get Cantrel type gain out of the Shiva, since that's what he uses now. Too bad they discontinued the Fish Preamp. Most agree that it's in the top 3 of the best guitar preamps ever made.

Why on Earth do companies discontinue such widely-respected models? Makes no sense to me.
 
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Thanks Buddy bud.....tapped Quarter Pounders :32:

Do the tapped QPs do a good vintage tele thing in tapped mode? -I had a strat with qps years ago and really liked it. I've always felt they'd be killer tele pickups...
 
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Yeah man, they do a good vintagey thing...but then you can kick it into high gear & get P-90 like tones.

Very cool pickups! :bigthumb:
 
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Do the tapped QPs do a good vintage tele thing in tapped mode? -I had a strat with qps years ago and really liked it. I've always felt they'd be killer tele pickups...

I loved mine, the bridge pup specifically. Lots of grind. You do need a graphic EQ, or OD/boost to cut through for a solo since there are sooo many lows.

Luke
 
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Why on Earth do companies discontinue such widely-respected models? Makes no sense to me.

usually for business reasons, such as lack of sales/demand, or difficulty in keeping manufacturing costs down or getting parts.

Or sometimes they replace something with a new model that has similarities. A good example of this would be Mesa discontinuing the blue angel and introducing the lonestar special.
 
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Yeah, I think Reinhold said that they discontinued the Fish because of the dwindling interest in rack rigs in the late 90's.

Bogner was doing his best work in the mid 90's. I found some pics I took of my Ecstasy. New ones have a black chassis with an FX loop and 1/2 power switch.
This one is the white chassis 101B, which has Class A/AB, 1/2 power, mixable FX loop, assignable speaker cabs, hotplate loop, line out, old/modern etc.

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Would you guys say Cantrell uses more/less/same amount of gain as EVH or GNR? I'm trying to get an idea of how much the Shiva is able to put out, and I'm having a hard time comparing by CD's. :)
 
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Would you guys say Cantrell uses more/less/same amount of gain as EVH or GNR? I'm trying to get an idea of how much the Shiva is able to put out, and I'm having a hard time comparing by CD's. :)

Alice, VH, and GNR all use roughly the same amount of gain, which is enough to produce singing solo tones and palm muted chunk. The main difference is the voicing of the amps. Cantrel has a deep heavy tone with a JB. Slash has a crunchier vintage vibe with an APH into a Jubilee. VH has a PAF into a gainy 70's Superlead.

The Shiva will cover Cantrel and VH, but isn't quite crunchy in the highs like Slash. The Shiva sounds like a 2 channel vintage voiced Marshall with maxed out gain. Slash's sound is easier to duplicate with a Marshall DSL 50 or 100, since it's got more sizzle like a JCM 800 or Jubilee.
 
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Okay then, how about a face off between a SLO and an XTC?

I only ask because I'm thinking of getting rid of my ENGL rig soon and going for some crazy high gain amp like that...?
 
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Okay then, how about a face off between a SLO and an XTC?

I only ask because I'm thinking of getting rid of my ENGL rig soon and going for some crazy high gain amp like that...?

The SLO is a 6L6 amp, which has a big wide open clean channel. The gain channel is capable of extreme gain, and it has a sound more similar to a 5150, Krank, or other highgain 6L6 amp. It's very glassy with big bass and clean highs.

The XTC sounds like 2 Marshalls running in stereo, basically a huge EL-34 tone.
It's a lot more complex in the mids than the SLO, and a lot woodier. The XTC has more control over every aspect of the gain and EQ, and can sound richer at lower volume levels than the Soldanos.

They're both great amps, and both can do great cleans and highgain. The main difference is the tube type. Soldano vs. Bogner is the more expensive equivalent of Peavey 5150 vs. Marshall DSL.
 
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Not having owned either, but played them both I would say the XTC is just much more the Marsahll Mojo even when gained up

The Soldano is more a smooth, crazy saturation that goes for days. Yes, you can back it off, but you will never brown out and get that Marshall crunch like the Bogner has in the mids.

I like what GJ said, however I think the Soldano is way richer and sweeter than the 5150. Soldanos have never made sense to me on their own. Too focused and gainy etc etc. Mix it with a Plexi Marshall like ****ey and Warren Haynes did and its the greatest sound ever. They are SOOO COMPLIMENTARY. I don't think a Bogner could do this, but then again this would be a big 2 amp rig.
 
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Alice, VH, and GNR all use roughly the same amount of gain, which is enough to produce singing solo tones and palm muted chunk. The main difference is the voicing of the amps. Cantrel has a deep heavy tone with a JB. Slash has a crunchier vintage vibe with an APH into a Jubilee. VH has a PAF into a gainy 70's Superlead.

The Shiva will cover Cantrel and VH, but isn't quite crunchy in the highs like Slash. The Shiva sounds like a 2 channel vintage voiced Marshall with maxed out gain. Slash's sound is easier to duplicate with a Marshall DSL 50 or 100, since it's got more sizzle like a JCM 800 or Jubilee.


For covering the amount of gain needed for either cantrell or VH tones, where would the gain knob generally be? Maxed out? Or is there a little room to go?

Thanks for the info!
 
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Depends.... if you have the boost on you DO NOT need to max. However your rhythm channel might need some beef. When recording, you will actually find more than enough gain without maxing or using the boost. Live you might want something more rude... in that case use an OD or boost.
 
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Not having owned either, but played them both I would say the XTC is just much more the Marsahll Mojo even when gained up

The Soldano is more a smooth, crazy saturation that goes for days. Yes, you can back it off, but you will never brown out and get that Marshall crunch like the Bogner has in the mids.

I like what GJ said, however I think the Soldano is way richer and sweeter than the 5150. Soldanos have never made sense to me on their own. Too focused and gainy etc etc. Mix it with a Plexi Marshall like ****ey and Warren Haynes did and its the greatest sound ever. They are SOOO COMPLIMENTARY. I don't think a Bogner could do this, but then again this would be a big 2 amp rig.

Ooo I like that idea...but maybe mixing a SLO with a Komet (one that works properly of course HA!)...maybe that would be something to ponder :D
 
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Depends.... if you have the boost on you DO NOT need to max. However your rhythm channel might need some beef. When recording, you will actually find more than enough gain without maxing or using the boost. Live you might want something more rude... in that case use an OD or boost.


Thanks OlinMusic for the info!
So it definitely has enough gain on tap to cover a VH or Cantrell type sound then? Gain wise, would it be closer to maybe a cranked Plexi, or JCM800 or maybe a little more than both?
 
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Well, I always say it's kinda like a JCM800 meets a Rodded Plexi.

Cantrell has gain, but a Shiva on Boost MAX'd or with a pedal gets those tones. I feel plexi's always have the EVH brown vibe. My MArshall has a nasty mojo. The Shiva has some of that grit a JCM800 has, with the 3D kinda richness of a PLexi. Pedals really make this thing gain up and nasty with that same JCM800?Plexi vibe.

I am careful on the JCM comparisons because I feel that it doesn't do Randy Rhodes Zakk Wylde tones which to me are the classic JCM tones. Nor does it do CC Deville or RATT mid to late 80s Metal so well as an 800. IT CAN do them, but if you want that saturated mid 80s tone, I would mix an 800 with an ADA first.

The Bogner is more tonesful and rich in the mids a la the classic Plexi tones of Jimi (sans Fuzz) and Paul Kosoff. Does that help? hehehehe

I say all this because I see the criticisms people have of Shivas, esp on the PlexiPalace page. I agree that it is NOT a Marshall - no duh, right? Marshalls are an ALWAYS nasty sound (SLP, 800, 900, DSL, TSL). If you want that tone, nothign beats a Marshall. Buy it and mod it to taste. Bogners are a litte refined with elements that are geared to sitting well in any mix, sounding sweet, and getting good gain. Marshalls are naturally freak nasty. With Bogners, it might not always "feel" fast and easy, or you might want more gain - but that is partially technique. Shivas, esp. hide nothing. You can't slop much on them. Believe me. They are the easiest amp to EQ and record.

I had a Marshall 6100 that I loved for versatility. I had someone play my amps for me while I stood back. The 6100 and Shiva were sooo similar, exc the Shiva was a little clearer and richer, with sweeter cleans. If you want refined Marshall, get a Shiva or XTC. IF you want brutal gain AND tone, get a Splawn, XTC, Soldano - or just get into anything that saturates too much after that.

Shivas retain some of that brown plexi mid, clarity, and sparkle. 800s sometimes lack that. the "hair" some people complain of (or LIKE) on Shivas, gives you that nasty top and sweet sizzle that sit perfectly in the mix. Some cats are too creamy - like Mesa Mk users. I like some attitude.

I posted on the Gear Page that as a singer, I also have preferred tones to sing with. Bogners and Marshalls make singing FUN.

If it helps at all, ummmmmmmmm if you check out my new recordings I am using the Shiva a lot with an SM57, a little EQ, and some post compression. I think it's accurate. Of course, I am NOT trying to plug myself.
 
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